Could Google Home or Amazon Echo used to transmit voice commands to the Zipabox ?

Tuomas Levoniemi shared this idea 2 years ago
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Using the remote control (finding it), tablet, pc or smartphone is difficult and slow. This is one reason why home automation is not generalized as fast as could have been. Normal wall switches is also a tough competitor for the automation (It works, and everyone knows how to use it).


Controlling home automation should bring new ways. Such as voice control.


Could Google Home or Amazon Echo used to transmit voice commands to the Zipabox ?


Is there an API library or the URL commands, which could be programmed or "tell" Amazon Echo / Google Home ?


https://www.cnet.com/news/google-home-vs-amazon-echo/


Br,


Tuomas

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Tuomas,


I know from Sebastian that Zipato is working already on adding Amazon Echo to the Zipabox, not sure about google home.

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It should work with IFTTT ... you can add your own phrase and trigger virtual sensor ... Echo has less options there then Google Home, but it should work as well

... I have already ordered Google Home... so I will confirm as soon as it arrives:)

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Juraj, do you have your Google home and how does it work with zipato? I am planning my SMART home and I would like to buy GoogleHome for it too. So this is why I am asking...

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Im curious to.... does it work...?

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Yes It work's well.

I have a Google Home in french, and I use IFTTT.

https://youtu.be/Bn35MR3RnlE

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Juraj,


Please do, I have been waiting for Google Home to come out so it can be compared to Amazon Echo and see which one is better.

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Well I won't be able to compare them, since I don't have Echo... but there are many comparsions all over the internet.


Basicaly I choosed Google Home, since I am already using many of google services and google information database promises more usefull features. Google should be better in aswering complex questions, but it won't order you new gadget from eshop. Echo does this, however I don't see this realy useful:)

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Don't forget, IFTTT is only available on US echo devices. When it will come to UK and other devices is anybody's guess.

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double post

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Running google home with zipabox thru IFTTT right now, using rules and virtual meters to get URL's to call.

A bit takes some time to set up each device. But since there is only a handful devices i care to control via voice.

Of course it would be a breeze to do it via proper integration. Doubt it will come soon from zipato since home is not even sold outside US

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How well would you say other features in Home work from Sweden? Delay in answers? Temperature in `F?

There was no problem adding it to IFTTT and connecting it to other services, it does not mention non-US region stuff?

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I brought a Google home back with me to Italy where I live, While I was visiting family in the US. The Google home can give Celsius if you select it in the settings. During set up, it mentioned it might not work in my area, but it's functioning perfectly fine without any issues... I'm just using with my harmony hub through iftt to turn on and off my htpc. Just waiting till Zipato adds it, along with the echo.

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sorry for the late replay


I have not found anything that does not work so far, and as Matthew did write. Temp to C is set in the home app so no problem with it. Same goes for IFTTT and delays, no problem at all.

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Awesome! Thanks for the reply guys. And now iam off to bugg my friend in US again :D

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@Nicklas Simberg: Can you please explain how you do this? I've enabled the Alexa connector in IFTTT, but I cannot find any IFTTT skill on the Alexa page at Amazon to enable. I understand about creating virtual switches and sensors to get URL's that Alexa can call. But where do I set which "commands" query which URL?


Thanks

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Set up a virtual sensor in zipato. Go to the bottom level device (state) and when you click on setting, you will have URL. This you can copy. It will end with = and you will need to add either 0 (sensor off) or 1 (sensor on).

In ifttt you need to use channel "Maker" for HTTP post commands. Dont forget to change the command type to POST.

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Ah. Maker channel. That was the one I could not figure out. Thanks.

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I try to find where is channel marker in IFTTT but it seems the name change, also I can't find post, can you give me a link or a tutorial please

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you need to use Webhooks to send http data

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Thanks olivier but how? Do you have any screenshot to help me tu understand

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I have make a tutorial, but it's in French

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I have both Amazon Echo and Google Home. I prefer Amazon Echo/Alexa.

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i do too, that is until we get a skill for Google Home, then its all Google Home for us. Amazon dont support Australia, so we get no local data, cant even buy the devices here. But the voice recognition is the Echos is far superior to the Google Home.

And the Google chromecasts are awesome. Plus its on my phone, i can create shortcuts with assistant, it can detect which account to use by whos voice it is, the only thing I'll miss is the name.

Please hurry up and give us Google Home/Assistant skill.

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"But the voice recognition is the Echos is far superior to the Google Home."

Crap................... I hoped the Google home would be better, my echo sucks and most of the time need to repeat myself. I pre-ordered a Google home mini....... hmm will have to see when it arrives.

Me: Alexa, light on!

Alexa: I found several devices with that name, which one do you mean?

Me: light

Alexa: OK

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Me: Alexa, curtain on!

Alexa: I added gherkins to your shopping list.


Don't think my accent is that weird........ :-)

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Using the term light and curtain is your mistake. You need to give your light a name. Light refers to all lights in your home, you need to differentiate them. And do the voice training exercise in the Alexa app. This helps alot.

But you are right, Google will work better with accents. Alexa is, as most american companies, USA speaking related. I wonder how the German speakers are fairing?

But I can tell you, that using both, with english(australia accent) the Alexa is far superiour. Gets the commands right more often, and pick up voice commands from further away and over music better.

And it is a cheap product to add voice control to a home, come on give it a break for $50 hardware included device.

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Google Home works great for me. I use IFTTT to use voice commands setting a virtual sensor so I can trigger Zipato rules.

I also use GH to get voice feedback from my Zipatile using a RPi and an HTTP POST command.

This way I get a voice warning me that someone was at my front door when I wasn't at home. (I enter the house through the garage so I don't trigger the front door camera myself.) Camera is a Mobotix type so it can send http commands to the Zipatile, when a PIR in the house is activated my Google Home warns me that the camera saw movement during my absence.

I like the way it works with the RPi, but it is one more device powered on all day long.

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I would be really glad if you could show this in a youtube video or describe more in detail.

I am a rookie and trying to understand the connection to use with IFTTT with GH.


Thanks for a great reply Ivo.

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Hi,

I am interested to know how you get voice feedback with your RPi and GH.

Regards

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Hi Anders,

the commands from GH to Zipatile are quite easy to understand if you know the mechanism behind it. Soory but I don't have time to make a fancy YT video but I'll try to explain it here.

1: Create a virtual sensor device in your Zipato desktop, give it a name like "IFTTTtest".

2: Open the device in the device browser and click open the tree to the "STATE" part, then open the settings of the "STATE" part and copy the long URL of your virtual device. You will need that later in IFTTT.

3: Create a rule that is triggered by the IFTTT sensor state, it can have only 2 states: True or False (1 or 0 / Active or Inactive). Look for the sensor under Devices/Sensor for a green icon with a monitor and http on it. Make this rule switch on a light or so.

4: Open an account on IFTTT.

5: Connect your Google Account to the Google Assistant service.

6: Make a new applet in IFTTT and use the Google Assistant for the IF part. Type a text you will use to trigger the applet and fill out the rest of fields to get a response back when triggered.

7: For the "Then" part use the webhooks service.

8: Use a POST request and paste the URL you copied before.

9: Add a "0" or a "1" behind the URL, so you can set the virtual device to active or inactive.

Leave the body empty and plain text.

10: Save the applet and test it saying the phrase you used to trigger the command.

11: If all went fine your light can now be controlled by a voice command. You know that the IFTTT part works if your GH is responding with the text you filled out in the assistant applet.

12: Make a second applet to switch your device (lamp) back off using another voice command.

13: Good luck!

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Hi Olivier,


it took me a rainy afternoon to get this working, but I'm a noob with RPi.


I made a clean "Noob" install on my RPi and installed this from github: https://github.com/noelportugal/google-home-notifier


Follow the rules exactly as in the read me file, you need to do some updates to get the npm install part working. I used the example.js file (keep it running!) so you can use port 8080 of your RPi IP address to trigger the script. On the Zipato side I used the http POST command and the body: "text=blablabla" to say something.

Hope that helps!

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Update: the Google Home Notifier stopped working. I now use Node-Red and the ‘cast’ node. Works even better tmho.

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Most of us used IFTTT to trigger events on Zipato Controllers from Alexa / Google Home. With the last Alexa app update seems that we now can do it directly by using "Routines" feature, which will allow you to use custom phrases to do different things, including controlling smart devices, so finally you can say "Alexa, open my blinds" and set your roller shutters at 100%!!

In my opinion this is awesome, now we can probably stop using IFTTT as "middle man".

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Here's a new opportunity to attach Zipato to voice control (Amazon-echo and Google Home)

https://conradconnect.de/en/compatible/amazon-echo

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Wow Tuomas, didn't know about this conrad service! Thanks for sharing!

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just checked it out, it does not seem to recognize any of my virtual switches?

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Same here, no virtual sensors. I also don't get how Google Home works with this Conrad Connect, I was able to connect but the device is not shown in the CC browser. (My GH device is configurated in UK english, not US. Maybe that is the problem?)

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It would definitely be great to have Zipato listed in the e-devices that Google Home is able to control. Right now I'm using IFTTT like everyone, it works well (it's much more responsive than what I expected), but super super long (and complex, in the sens that you must really pay attention to every single detail) to setup. Please Mr Zipato...

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google home support should come tomorrow.........

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Just in time for CES.

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Really?!

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Any news? I still dont see it available in the Google Home app?

Where'd you get the intel from Darkwing?

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Well..... I was kinda being sarcastic....... Sebastian said in several posts it would come in 2017 :-)

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The CES really starts on the 7th/8th, so I guess we'll have to wait until the 7th! But it would be really neat as, right now, I have to use IFTTT and it takes ages to set up (better than nothing, though...)

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So end of year 2017 has come and gone... no Google Home integration!

CES has come and gone.... no Google Home integration!

Zipato indicated late last year that Google Home integration was a high priority and would be done by the end of 2017. I understand development delays; however, it would be nice if Zipato would communicate with its customer base to manage our expectations.

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Zipato... The only brand who need IFTTT to do voice with Google Home...

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Yes, I give up. I dont think they really care. They had there own booth at CES, not in Z-wave pavilion that was sponsored by Google (hint hint other manufactures got Google Assistance working for this event)). They had no social media uploads during the event, and take a look at their Facebook page, https://www.facebook.com/Zipato/photos/pcb.1982815735067219/1982815545067238/?type=3&theater posted 1 week after the event.

Nothing but the new Zipatile UI (which they couldn't even fit enough icons on the Zipatile homescreen pic so had to add more underneath the ZIpaitle on the wall itself), oh and that small green dot on that overly bare wall is the new ZipaMicro. What is going on at Zipato?

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Adrian, for you it is only important to write something. It is obviously bot possible to embarrass yourself enough to stop writings. You think you know everything but you ate just misinforming everybody here (you can’t even calculate days property). You haven’t even been at CES, but you are the first one writting comments about it. Please give us a break here with your stupid comments about things you don’t undesstand. We got it enough now.

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:-)

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Sebastian. I understand that some things are enough, but what to say. You could employ at least one PR manager that would give out the voice of Zipato more often? We can not see much happening at all, and most of us is in the dark not knowing what will happen next. The development is extremely slow and we feel that for people, who invest time to help others on this forum (thus removing your expensive time on the need to respond and saving costs) and are power users, are not treated as power users -

Why were a new zipatile UI developed at the first place when the iOS app is 2 years or more behind and there is no sign on update / catch up.

Why you have on your fancy zipato site the latest article in the blog from 11/11/2016?

If you say you empliy a PR manager, I would kick his ass as there is absolutely no information / update / news / blog / videos / else communicated to the public at all.

So considering the above - if you put yourself into Adrians position - do you wonder why he is upset and reacting like this? I dont. And surely if you ask any customer who was long with you would agree here with me. Please make Zipato more viligant. Listen more to your customer needs. Find this neverending bug that still slows down the development.

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Thanks Attila, glad you understand. I'm not only a power user and trying to help out on the forums, but a dealer in Australia. And i am not sure if other distributors have the same lack of communication, but I never get an email from Zipato stating new products, new software upgrades or integrations. Nothing. I dont know what to expect, what to promote, i am for all intent and purposes an end customer. My customers ask me, as Google is far more popular here, "when is google home integration coming", well Zipato CEO told us late last year.

Every other company I deal with send me email flyers all the time with new products and upgrade descriptions. Some even share their future developments for feedback.

@seb, you're right I wasn't there, did I miss something with the pics posted (sorry 5 days after CES started not 1 week)? i'm simply stating that Zipato were at CES2018 , 2nd biggest consumer tech show in the world and not one mention on any social media outlet. How does Zipato expect to thrive and promote itself with such lack of media exposure? I'm still waiting for a video like Fibaro that can be shown at Trade Shows for all your dealers. So yes i question Zipatos dedication. You should employ the Turkey Zipato team, they do a great job at shows.

If i am embarrassing myself so be it. If it helps you see that I do so in order for Zipato to see where they need to improve.

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Going back to the original subject.

Alexa v2 is already integrated and it works just fine. Alexa v3 is also integrated but we will publish it after we test it more internally and we are not in rush about that option. Google Home is technically already supported and we will apply for integration approval next week (I don't know how much does it take for google to approve it).

Fibaro does have better looking videos and promotional materials than we have. We do need stronger PR activities. However, our exhibition at CES was great success (including the pic) and we were showing new Zipatile launcher, Zipamicro (most affordable z-wave controller), unique Zipato Intercom functionality, upcoming Zipabox2 and upcoming Zipatile2. However, all these points are not a part of this subject and just confusing everybody. So please stick with the subject.

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OK I'm glad to hear that. See, just a simple update on what you're doing and what we can expect makes a huge difference (I've personally been looking for a solution that integrates Google Home for weeks now, thinking that you gave up on that - BTW if it's any comfort, Fibaro is not doing any better apparently ;-).


And I agree with Attila, it should not me your job to communicate with your customers - or on rare, important occasions - but the one of a - good - communications person.


Thus being said you probably have financial constraints that we're not aware of...

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Yes, I am glad to get an update on Zipato's progress as well; I am looking forward to real integration with my Google Home. Like Eric alluded to, Fibaro didn't do a full integration. From what I understand, there are two ways to integrate with Google Home. Full integration will allow the user to say "Ok Google, Turn on Kitchen Light" (or something like that). The other way (which is the way Fibaro integrated), is worse from a user experience. The user has to say "Ok Google, Tell Fibaro to turn on Kitchen Light" (or something like that). Hopefully the Zipato team used the former as the way they integrated it.


I would rather wait a little longer for Zipato to integrate completely than to have a half-baked solution like Fibaro did.

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Me too!

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Hi Guys,

I have many comments, agrees, disagrees to the issues of PR, UI, etc. But do not want to waste your time, only 2 issues:


1) Maybe we should be asking ourselves this question: many users have requested many issues from Zipato since years, and many of these Zipato tried to make. But afterwards how much additional gain it brought to Zipato besides making these users somehow happy. How many more products these requests made Zipato to sell? Maybe none maybe few. Maybe we have been aggressive for our own personal requests to make the Zipato development busy, so that the real and change-maker developments still suspends… Lets think, before we blame.


2) While I am reading your comments about Alexa and Google Home, I just laugh… Who cares about voice-control? Believe me as long as they can not speak Turkish we do not care about it. You know what we care, only Intercom… What I am trying to say is that, someone's priority is not others. I sell Zipato thanks to Intercom, maybe you sell Zipato thanks to Alexa. And we all want Zipato to make it all happen, right here, right now… Not that easy.


I am not saying that all are good and there are not any problems; but lets keep calm, make positive criticism (not judge) and stand together. Our era of Smart Home is approaching…


Cheers,

Celal

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Thanks for your comments Celal, great to hear from you , you do great work with Zipato.

I wont get into this again, but as this topic related to voice control I must address you comment, "i just laugh.... who cares about voice-control?" Really? It is the most prominent feature promoted by every vendor, it is a major sales tool, and if your HUB doesn't support it, customers and integrator don't take it seriously. Check out every 2nd post by any other vendor, online articles, or even Z-wave alliance tweets themselves. Or even the Z-wave alliance CES stand sponsored by Google Assistant. Turkish voice control may not be prevalent for you, but then you are not competing with other Hub/brands for voice control then, so you point is mute. But for the larger community in Europe/America where Zipato should be selling and promoting, it is a necessary feature and something looked at by customers BEFORE purchasing. And we were told Google voice was due end of 2018. This is not a personal request, but a marketing/branding request for ZIPATO

Positive: Glad to hear of an improved Alexa upgrade. SIP is much better, and i believe a lot if that is due to you guys in Turkey, so thank you. Can you try doing this with Doorbird? (personal)

The reason I point out these things, is to keep Zipato moving and improving, and for them see what the general community want, not what one reseller (though the biggest) wants.

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Just so there is no additional confusion Adrian wrote: "And we were told Google voice was due end of 2018."

I believe this should be the end of 2017.


It's close now so it will definitely be before the end of 2018

:-)

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:-) yes thats what i meant, thanks Mislav.

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I really hope as just had one customer enquiring on complete system and he wants voice control google.

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me too. As it is now the prevalent voice system here, every one is asking for it. Hopefully it is done before our Expo here in May.

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Google works here in India beautifully even though it is not officially available, and clients keep asking for zipato to work with it.

We don't even have a Zipato skill for Echo India yet and I've to set my clients to Amazon US account depriving them of Amazon Prime Music and other localized benefits. I have told them to wait for few days as it will be available soon.

Integrating Zipato with Echo India using 3rd party cloud like IFTTT means saying "trigger" with every command which is not natural and no one likes.

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Well, it has been over a month since Sebastian told us "Google Home is technically already supported and we will apply for integration approval next week (I don't know how much does it take for google to approve it)" and we have not heard another word as a status update. I am hoping we will hear something soon as to how far off they are with getting this complete. I am not asking for anything other than a status update and I do not feel it is unreasonable to want the company to keep its customers up-to-date with its major initiatives.

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Hi Vernon,


Google Home support is finished and we are waiting for approval from Google. We will update this thread when we get confirmation, hopefully soon since a few weeks have past from the application.


BR,

Mislav

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Hello

Any news from Google approval ?

Regards,

Stephane

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Hello,


Google is currently testing the integration before approval. Hopefully they will finish the testing soon.


BR,

Mislav

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Hi,


Great news!

Is ther any documentation/information on how it will be integrated ?

What kind of command we will be able to do with GH and Zipabox ?

I'm seek with all IFTTT rules to manage :)


Regards,

Stéphane

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Hi, interested by an update about Google home/zipabox

Regards,

William

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Any update ? I want to stop having to use IFTTT to triger a virtual switch to trigger a rule.

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Been using Google home for months now, it's great 😁

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with Zipato?

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Of course not. Look at his avatar...he was with zipato but eventually got pissed off over time so decided to change.

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I thought so but wasnt sure. Why come back here then, has he got nothing better to do.

I wish the Google Home integration would hurry up though

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That sounds a bit hostile :-)

Yes I have better things to do, but thought some sarcasm was needed on this topic. I gave the Zipabox to my brother so am still on the forums to keep up to date with firmware changes etc as he just starts out in home automation. I might also plan to buy a zipatile 2 in the future, so need to stay in the loop.

And I still do assist people once in a while on these forums, as even though I no longer have the box myself, I still know one or two things about it.

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well i always welcome sarcasm, it keeps things interesting. I understand the move to another platform when you need more integrations, and HS plugins/drivers are vast.

So long as you are here to help and stay in the loop great, any chance of changing your logo though, that is what seems hostile.

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Have you guys tried Alexa Routines? from there you can pick which phrase you want to say and then which Zipato devices to trigger.

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I don't own Alexa but Google home. And I'm not keen having too many ears in my home!

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I'm using Google Home with IFTTT service to send http command to zipato for couple months now. Its doing the job for until we get the real integration of Google home with Zipato.

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Yes IFTTT does the job, but it's really complicated. I can't wait till Google Home is natively integrated to Zipato. I wish we had news from the Zipato team about this. Any update guys?

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has anyone noticed lately that you no longer have the option to select which controller to associate with Alexa again. It seems to just add the default controller you are logged into.

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Hi Adrian,


I tested it and you are able to pick the controller but you need to delete your auth token between amazon and zipato.


Please open a ticket so I can delete the token for you.


Best regards

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any reason a user can not do this? I would hate to clog up supports time by requesting tokens to be deleted continuously by users.

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Evidently Google does not consider Zipato a major device brand in the SmartHome space. Google just announced that "Google Assistant can work with all types of connected device, and now every major device brand works with the Assistant". (https://www.blog.google/products/assistant/turning-your-house-smart-home-google-assistant/). So Google can connect to more than 5,000 devices but not Zipato. Does this mean that we will not be seeing integration any time in the near future?

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Hi Vernon,

the process of getting certified is from the manufacturer towards Google and not the other way around. We are in the process of getting officially certified with Google and will inform everyone once everything is done.

As the article says"...Our partners are continuing to add even more devices that work with the Google Assistant across the home in the coming months..."

Because we aren't going for the basic functionality like controlling only a specific set of devices, but full integration out of the box this process is taking a bit longer... but we are within the last mile.

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Thank you Borna! I am very excited about getting full integration with Google Home and have been trying to be patient. Hopefully you will finally get their approval soon.

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Hi Borna,

once the certification process is complete, will integration be active in all countries (ex Italia :))?

Thank you.

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^ Same question as Serigio

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The same

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Hi!

Unless there is some Google related reason why there would be a region lock (which We cannot influence) or something along those lines We should be live globally.

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Do you have any indication of timescale for the integration with Google Assistant to be ready? even if its vague such as q3 2018?

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Any updates here?

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anything?

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Hi everyone,

You can do this integration with IFTTT and a webhook which is setting a virtual device to whatever value you want.

I've just added two IFTTT applets to turn my dinning room lights on and off.

Let me know if you need information about it.

Thanks

Beat

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Here is a link to a post we have already done to help users. https://zipato.infoserv.wiki/uncategorized/how-to-use-ifttt-with-zipato/

Though this works, it is a long an arduous method when you have numerous Smart Home devices, whereas the the Google Home integration is a lot quicker and easier. Also the typical end user can not use this IFTTT method.

Hopefully Zipato start listening to their users and get some of these requests completed.

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Any updates on this? Do we have an indication of when this is due to be released? Would it not be possible to get some sort of BETA firmware to at least start using it until it has been tested by GOOGLE and then include it in the original firmware?

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This will be released when Google home and Amazon Alexa are outdated and are replaced with newer and better tech. :-)

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No Google home integration coming in a short term? Because Google home development is increasing but still no zipato in the brand list...

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Any news whatsoever? Any news is better then no news imho?

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It will be soon. We were testing with Google long time ago but didn't have time to finish it due to other projects.

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Hi Sebastian,

8 month ago, Mislav said: "Google is currently testing the integration before approval. Hopefully they will finish the testing soon."

Could anybody define "soon" ?

regards,

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I really hope this is a cruel joke. Keeps promising, but nothing happens.

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Sebastian,

sorry for my bad English.

In Italy, the wireless home automation market is experiencing a moment of turmoil thanks to the introduction of smart speakers (Alexa and Google home on all). Zipato is loosing this train, for the other projects you mention. I became the first person promoter of your platform. I used it for the installations that I happened to do. Now, simply, I can not recommend it, because the integrations are cumbersome, limited and weak. I am sure that your investments are going in the direction you deem appropriate, but know that you are losing good market opportunities in Italy. Hence my personal frustration to your continuous references to dates "to be defined"

Best regards.

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You and the rest of us Sergio. We dont know what "projects" Zipato speak of, but see little in development in the past 18 months. The biggest and most sought after integration is Google Voice. But other services/products also that are just plain ignored, or promised then dropped in the future. We too see Zipato falling further and further behind their competitors, I would suggest to you as an installer and reseller to not focus solely on Zipato. Sorry Zipato lovers, but it is simply the truth and good business strategy.

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Promises, promises, no defined time for a single thing, devices defined as compatible but after buying and including you discover only partially compatible, a lot of TBD.

Only one word. Ridiculous.

What else?

I can bet that zipato will be unable to see the light of year 2020 without a direction change.