weather station does'nt work

Stillwatter shared this problem 3 months ago
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Weather station does'nt work since 13 february 23h59 on my 2 box.

Someone else with this problem ?

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Once again I want to apologize for this inconvenient situation. So far we were pulling weather information from Weather Underground commercial services directly to our cloud server. Our cloud server was caching and providing that information to local servers according to their requests.

In order to avoid these issues in the future, we will soon publish different architecture in which local servers will directly interact with the weather information service provider. There will be few of them supported from the beginning.

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Yes, I have the same problem. And thereby a lot of rules don't work anymore unfortunately.

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Hi, I got the same problem on my Virtual Weather Station, the last update was 2019-02-14 00:45 and then nothing, any news about it?

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No news and my sunrise / sunset rule no longer works

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Has anyone oppned a ticket for it?

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Same problem for me

A lot of rules doesn´t work anymore. Please fix asap!

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I will create a ticket.

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Hello,


we will investigate if there are any issues and report back to you soon.


Best regards

Zipato Team

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Thank you Mario.

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The Problem is that the API sends back the VAR - not the VALUE.

When you sent an email with "sunrise" and "sundown" you see following:


Sundown

${attributes.get("xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx", "com.zipato.network.virtual.weather.WeatherData", "sunset")}

Sunrise

${attributes.get("xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx", "com.zipato.network.virtual.weather.WeatherData", "sunrise")}

I extra bought the professional-Package to have a look before an hour, to find the error -

i thought i made an error in my rules because as luck would have it i was creating a new Rule with the weatherstation befor some hours... :-/

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I have the issue as well ! It stopped working on 2/14

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Same here in Hannover. Since 14.2.

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Same here, no updates to virtual weather station since 14.2.

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Unfortunately, Weather Underground has stop providing API services to all it's clients. We have already prepared an alternative integration with couple of providers and we will try to release it during this week.

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Thank you Sebastian.

I will do with IFTTT while waiting ...

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Uh - did you find a solution to get informations directly to your zippato?

i just going to setup a sulution over a virtual switch

which is enabled (sunshine) /disabled (no sunshine) externaly over a cronjob.... :-/ (See my following comment)

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Unfortunately WU has taken the Google Map approach: making business customers pay to use their API. Announced 5 months ago and theorically ending on 12/31/18 according to https://apicommunity.wunderground.com/weatherapi/topics/end-of-service-for-the-weather-underground-api. They gave 6 extra weeks of free use.

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Actually, we were paying since the beginning (for the last 4 years). WU is just going to be replaced with some alternative solution from IBM which is going to be more costly and way more complicated to negotiate about, as IBM is pushing the whole bunch of other services together.

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Dear Sebastian,


please excuse my open words -

but if I read that, I'm pretty annoyed."we will try to release it during this week."....

Most customers may not care much about what IBM or Google does, or that there are 10 ° C, -10 ° C or even 100 ° C outside; because the people out there just have the problem that repeatedly their light and so on can no longer be controlled by motion sensors, because many rules do not recognize sunrise or sunset; what "zero" has to do with the weather-data.


No mockery - please try to think in the people out there:

If you live in areas with a high crime rate, that is quite annoying when no light is working anymore.

If you sit on top of that in a wheelchair, or cared for the technology of your neighbor in a wheelchair, which has corresponding problems to manually switch sockets, light switches, etc., you will be angry.


ZIPATO has reached a size in the market where the marketing department should really think about the fact, that people are buying the brand because they think they can count on it.

If nothing works again for more than 48 hours, that's really not a plus ... ...In particular, if you have also recommended the system to your neighbor and many other physically disabled people, which are calling you for help.... and you start slowly thinking about alternatives, that may be more reliable .... What do I pay for a subscription of 99 Euro if nothing happens with a problem?

Out of necessity, I've just written a small PHP function, which according to a selected time zone string (eg "Europe / Berlin", "Europe / Amsterdam" ...) selects the coordinates of a "nearby" city and calculates sunrise and sunset fairly accurately. (See attachement)

http://api.bitfox.com/get_sunset.php?timezone_str=Europe/Berlin

http://api.bitfox.com/get_sunrise.php?timezone_str=Europe/Berlin


It should not be a huge effort to realize the function as a temporary object in the Rule-Creator; e.g. with a drop-down selection box, where customers can simply select their time zone-String.


This could decouple the "sunrise and sunset"-Problem from the "weather"-Problem for you and give time to investigate what is happening with the weather interface...


Maybe that helped you a little bit.

Personally, it would be a shame if I had to reorient myself to another brand in the future.


Many Greetings


Oliver


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Tip for around it: You can use the function to build a CronJob that externally drives all 5 minutes a virtual switch "daylight" in the ZipaBox. This can then be easily compared in Rule Creator.

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Great, I hope zipato can quickly provide alternate solution for sunset/sunrise as I think this is the most common use of the weather station compared to other humidity etc meters. Personally I already have a virtual switch 'night time' that was triggered by the weather scheduler and all my rules are rather depending on that switch that I will toggle with a static scheduler for the time being.

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Hi there,

I can understand that customer have trouble that sunrise etc is not working, but I something is so imported for me, you have to create rules that can get over it.

For me, I take sunrise from the Weather Modul and I take the Lux Values from my Z-Weather.

regards Helle

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I don't wish to take away from Zipato's responsibility in this area, but I personally would never rely exclusively on their weather information. I import weather information from various sources:


https://community.zipato.com/topic/as-promised-my-weather-information-gathering-system


and I also have light, temperature and humidity sensors outside.

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Dear Helle, Dear David,

i never thought, that ZIPATO need an external Weather-Service to evaluate Sunrise and Sunset....

because that are really Basic-Functions you can write easily yourself, as you can see -

that's no rocketry...


@helle: the Problem is, that i can't find a cheap single LuxMeter-module driven by 433, Zigbee, Z-Wave or something simular; neither in sufficient number of pieces, because I am only the pretester for my neighbor and her friends....

I tried a Chacon LBST-604 Luxmeter which doesn't work with ZIPATO, even it's listed.

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As a light meter I used the El Tako FAH 60 Enocean light meter (look for Lichtsensor). It works very well, but requires the Enocean module, obviously.

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My biggest issue is that apparently zipato was aware this was going to happen and failed to provide a fix before the deadline. or atleast send out a notification saying so to provide people time to adjust their rules... I'll work around it but I would like a fix a.s a.p and preferably a real target date unlike google home support which keeps pushing to a new year.

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From the beginning I use a virtual switch as "daylight" indicator. I controlled this either through virtual weather OR luminance of a sensor. I just wrote an rule to get sunset and sunrise from IFTTT which controls a virtual meter and this meter controls my "daylight" indicator. All day-related rules work with my "daylight" indicator. This concept makes it easy for me to maintance the rules and I am double fault safe.

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I also have a virtual switch, but I'm doomed, my virtual switch for 'night time' is also suffering from this bug : https://community.zipato.com/topic/old-virtual-switches-do-react-on-url-request-new-ones-not Crap !

Edit: I tried to create a new switch again and it reacts to http request! Happy !

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I use Stringify on my phone to set a Zipato virtual switch for sunset and sunrise. Then use the switch in rules. Works fine for me. I could use ifttt instead I guess../Marcus

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It is a real shame that we need to use 3th party tools again, to get some automatisation.that worked before.

I use a lot of rules via the virtual weather , now i can change them all again. in the main time my house is a dark place when you walk around. It was my worst buy ever. never again, no good word from me. it goos from bad to worse.

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@Zipato: please fix this ASAP! Nearly all my rules doesn´t work!

I tried to switch to IFTTT but that only works partly because of another issue, that for some virtual switches it is not possible to change the status via API. See this thread: https://community.zipato.com/topic/old-virtual-switches-do-react-on-url-request-new-ones-not

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Yes I suffer from this as well. But in my case it works at times, so I needed 4 attemps to create 2 functional switches.

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That is inconceivable for any serious company.

@Zipato: DEADLINE????

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Friends,


do not use virtual switches for URL control but virtual meters and there Value1. This is reliable! Send i.e. a „1“ for on and „2“ for off.

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Unbelievable ! For the first time I think ZIPATO is not a decent company.

For my workaround I use a different Z-wave controller (Devolo).

Although Devolo is "Z-wave for dummies" it is highly reliable. I transfer SUNRISE and SUNSET from DEVOLO to ZIPATO as workaround.

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But you certainly think IBM is decent company?

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Sebastian, why don't you have a look at OpenWeatherMap with reasonable prices.

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The free Wunderground API service is certainly still working. My experience with all these weather APIs is that, if you want a reliable 24/7 service, you'd better have some sort of backup.

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Once again I want to apologize for this inconvenient situation. So far we were pulling weather information from Weather Underground commercial services directly to our cloud server. Our cloud server was caching and providing that information to local servers according to their requests.

In order to avoid these issues in the future, we will soon publish different architecture in which local servers will directly interact with the weather information service provider. There will be few of them supported from the beginning.

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Sounds good. Hopefully ready within the next few days or weeks. Ok back to business and start rolling out zipabox 2.

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Thank you

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After my message on sun febr 17, all is working again; light went on at sunset this evening!! Thanks for your effort, Ivan and others.

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After exactly 30 days after the issue was highlighted in this community we are waiting for a full fix.

Which is the expected date for sunset and sunrise scheduler fixing?

The only answer received from the support is "we are aware of the problem" but after such a long time is unacceptable.

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Problem solved for me. The widget works correctly.

Thank you Zipato

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Probleem solved indeed.


THanks!

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Seems to be o.k. now.

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I thought it was ok but still have this problem :(

Am I the only one ?

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Weather station did work yesterday evening. This morning it didn't. I did install 3 weatherstations, all are without actuals. So the problem is still there.

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I have two defined. One has full details, and one only part details, although the Sunrise/Sunset for both are showing and these are what I use within my rules. Both are synching and have been since the fix went in.

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I have a rule that exports my consumption and temperature data to a Google sheets table and everything works since Friday, February 19th 5:00 pm.

the weather station works perfectly on my 2 box

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It even gives a stage to develop a solid figure-infant dating. And furthermore enthusiastic picking up information of and experience outside can occur in a repercussion of situations , I recommend a quality service to perform the work, buy essay no more worries in education .

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Sorry but that is incomprehensible...

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???

???

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I have issues with both a new system installed last weekend (schedulers with astro function never worked) and with my main system that used to work years ago.

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Appears to be broken again..?

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Same here.

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No update for nearly nine hours

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Mine updated once, just after midnight, the first time in two days, then nothing since..

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same with me

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I have the same problem.

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Same here.

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When Will the new architecture be up and running?

Le ven. 1 mars 2019 à 22:25, Zipato Support Portal <mailer@3plus.hr> a écrit :

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I've Problems on Systems of my Friends now, too... again....


Dear Zipato-Team,

Why don't you use my idea to calculate Sunrise and Sunset by the Time-Zone-String / by a TimeZone-Object....?

There is no external Service needed...!

Just have a look to the Sourcecode i've allready posted here....

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Now, it came to me as well. Weather station doesn't work... and almost ALL my rules stopped to work! I'have to put "on" or "off" all manually. Any one at Zipato that could tell us when it will work again? And YES... I know there are "work arounds" using IFTTT or other things... but that's not the point. I want this to work as it should!

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Any update?

All my astro functions stopped working which is annoying as a lot of rules are based on day / night and or weekend.

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still doesn't work. It seems that i'm getting some old cached data, so the problem persists.

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So my weather station has some data from 03/03 ... astro is still not working which is becoming VERRY annoying.

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It seems that you have a lot of restarts. When the zipabox got a Weather Update, sunrise and sunset works until the next restart.

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That's a good thing to know. About the astro info is keept untill restart. Usually when having a problem... the standard procedure for me is to "try a restart". So I guess everything stopped to work for me since the astro info got loose.

- Good news, as from 2 days ago, things are working again for me. The weather station got updated, and the last sinc was the 5 March @ 00:18H.

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Well, I've added the weather station again after deletion and rebooted my box to force a sync. Lets see what happens.

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Pour moi il s'est arrêté le 3 mars et toujours pas de compatibilité avec le 433mhz, ça deviens énervant.

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I have two WS defined but both are missing data and only appear to update once a day just after midnight. One however hasn't updated now for two days! Basically, this is still broken.

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@Zipato: Any news?

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i have the same problem since 4th march and use the sunset for open my blinds, so its dark in the house🤪, i have to rum the scene manually😞

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Why no status reporting about this situation? Not very professional, Zipato! After some research I have created a personal solution.

Two steps are important:

1e: create a virtual switch Day-ON - Day OFF. Change all your rules concerning sunrise/- set working via this virtual switch . Change these rules Like: When Day= OFF or when Day is ON action, action, etc ; for every rule.

Now you can activate all the rules with weatherstation functionality at one switch by hand or automatic bij use of weatherstation (that doesn't work) in parallel. BUT also by Thirtparty as IFTTT

I will try to make an IFTTT applet to activate this virtual switch by using WU and Webhook. I think this should work. It will make me independent after all these troublesome weeks and waiting and no solution or announcements from ZIPATO.

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I think you can do it easier, by changing the scheduler for fixed hours, like 7 am and 7 pm. That way at least you have some automatic function while they recover.

I have backup rules with fixed time schedulers in my system since is not the first time I see weather station not working (this is the worse though).

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I agree, most simple, but you have to correct after some time the surnrise/-set time.

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we are waiting already for a couple of weeks. how long will it last? Should we go for independency using IFFTTT?

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In my case I had to create new rule with fixed time as I couldn't deselect sunset for my location, nor astro offset.

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Any news on this. Currently the whole thing means that currently this is not working and until you release a new architecture, it will not work...

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Hi, for me the sunset has been working fine again for some days, and I haven't done anything, just waited for some fix, but the weather station hasn't been updated since the 5th of Mars in the night, I haven't checked if the sunset is at the right time, but still my lamps are turned on.

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Sunset & sunrise stays at the time of March 5th. I can live with this for a week but then......

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We will publish new firmware with new weather station solution this week. However, although it is generally working, it won't be recommended to use it with Zipabox1 due to low amount of RAM available. But Sunrise/Sunset information will be independent of weather station service in the future since it's gonna be calculated internally.

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Sorry Sebastian, I have a Zipabox1 with about 40 actors and need the Sunset Sunrise Option. I am still willing to buy a new Zipabox2 but only if you will provide a converting tool, so i will not have to exclude and include all actors again..


So please provide a Sunrise / Sunset Solution for the ZIPABOX1 as most of us (also here in this thread) are Using the Zipabox1 !!

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+1 This used to work on all zipato products (including the zipabox 1 of the early adaptors).

I really don't care about the weather as it proved inaccurate so I pull data from netatmo but the sunrise / Sunset solution is key and used by so many obviously in the thread.

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Same here, I have the V1 box and this news isn't good..!

Time to move back to Vera+ and Smartthings.. I'm kind of fed-up with Zipato's approach to customers.

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same also for me and all the others...not forget your ZIPABOX1


Merci

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That sounds like no more updates for the Zipabox 1, but without an upgrade path to the Zipabox 2. That doesn't make much sense.

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If I read the info from Sebastian carefully then he is saying that a sunrise / sunset solution is developed independent of the virtual weather station solution (and I guess without any memory problem). The new virtual weather station solution is a different peace of cake. Uses much of ram memory. So the solution in that is: either buy zipabox 2 or constuct your own weather station (which btw can be much more accurate than the internet solutions).

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I'm worried about what it means for updates in general. Are there going to be two parallel firmware development branches?

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I don't care about the weather or the sunset/sunrise information. I have sensors and external weather sources.

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My new IFTTT rule sunset/sunrise works. It is really very simpel. IFTTT offers a large scale of signaling: sunset, rise, temperature, rain, etc. But also with NEST, Honeywell termostat, etc. And all for free and usable in Zipato.

Recipice: IFTTT --> weather underground --> webrequest to a vitual switch in Zipato. PERFECT !

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Thanks Arnold. Could you post a more detailed explanation to implement this IFTTT solution?

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What?

We had a weather station function. A certain day it stopped working. instead to fix (right? misunderstood?) you decided to use a new weather station probably developed for zipabox 2.. but unfortunately on zipabox1 the ram is too low, so zipabox1 users will not not have weather station anymore but only sunrise/sunset (that could be retrieved also from iftt, eventually).


Great, an existant feature removed due to issues, instead developing a fix compatible with old devices..

How can you expect customers trust you doing this?

This mean that zipabox will be abandoned, right? Totally unreliable for a domotic controller.

Good to know.

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Haha, I'm not even surprised anymore.


It's the same with Hue bridge support. It does not work as it should and they have no fix for me.


I bet we wont see the new UI this month either that has been communicated.


Zipato, why should users upgrade to new hardware when you keep disappointing us?

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I can't understand what's the Problem to establish Weather-Data in Zipa1 -

Because that are only some Bytes that are stored local in the box to be fetchable...

1:weather-tendence-index {sun,rain,wind-east,wind-west,wind-north,wind-south,storm,snow,....}

2-4:degrees min

5-7:degrees max

-> x3 (mornig,midday,night)

= 21 Bytes ....

22-25: sunset-time

26-29: sunrise-time

+3 byte extra....

that are 32 Byte a Day

x 3 (today, tomorrow, in 2 days) -> 96 Byte .

.....so what's the Problem?

Is it really a Problem to fetch this few data-bytes "additionaly" once a day from the zipato-web-api and to store them locally in the box to make a rule-set?

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The problem, i think, is not the data but the code to retrieve the data. In the old situation this code was running in the cloud and data was pushed to everyone's box. Wunderground has changed its conditions and considered this now as commercial use by Zipato: so they have to pay for this whicht they don't want to do.

If the code is stored locally retrieving data is considered for personal use, so not commercial and is free for use.

A bit stupid all the way. Another solution for Zipato is to make the old situation a payable service.

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Hrm.... the Code to fetch the Data is already there - like the "virtual Switches" which are pushed from external.

An there is a free Solution for that: The OpenWeatherMap.


[OpenWeahterMap] <<--->> [ZipaCloud] <<--->> [Local Registers]

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We'll see. Fortunately I don't use the weather station. It was only updated a few times a day. Too few. The new sunset/sunrise solution is fortunately not dependable from some kind of weatherstation solution. As it should be, Because it has nothing to do with the weather but is more dependable of regions.

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Hi.

It works very well with IFTT.

The think is that everything works with IFTT.


Why do we need the Zipabox, as all seems to be very very complicated..with that box..!

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How that works? I tried to use the zipato wu sunrise and sunset applet but it's never run.

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Create a virtual sensor in Zipato, for example "daylight"


In IFTTT create a new "if this then than" rule.


Take the service "weather underground" for the "+this" condition.

Choose trigger "Sunrise" and set your recidence.

In +that choose action service "webhooks", take "make a web request".

In the URL field set the Url from your virtual sensor "daylight" as:

https://my.zipato.com/zipato-web/remoting/attribute/set?serial=<xxx>&apiKey=<xxx>&ep=<xxx>&state=true

Don't forget to set the state at the end ="true"

In the Method field set "GET"

In the Content Type field set "text/plain"

Let Body empty

Than create the action

Afterwards create a next "if this then than" rule with choosen trigger "Sunset" and set the "state" to false.

So, you did it:-)

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Very good Peter, clear instruction.

There is some trick to understand. IFFTT puts any virtual switch you made on and that causes a trigger for a rule. Don 't forget to reset the virtual switch to '0' in this rule, because else you miss the next trigger from IFTTT in Zipato. This is an extra precaution; normally the procedure will be: IFFTTT sunrise will set your virtual switch to 1 and sunset will set it to 0. But when some IFTTT message fails the switch is not resetted and you will miss the next trigger moment.

I think it is wise to make an instruction for that; I use IFTTT also for geofencing, when I am in the neighborhood lights and heating go on.

I will try to make some document this week.

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I think we should create more practicing on IFTTT beause it is so powerfull and so transcending qua hardware and platform.

Maybe ZIPATO should be in IFTTT as a participant/deliverer. Idea Zipato? It overcomes all the fuss about memory and so on. Also a good PR instrument like BMW, Nest and Somfy already did.

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Many thanks Peter for the detailed explanation and Arnold for pointing out the tip re setting value back to 0.

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Hi Peter,

Can you send a screenshot sample of this rule? I try to get it work but get stuck with the if/the rule :(

many thanks!

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7a6175aaa9c5a38c352f4e8588f4e384

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Tnx Peter! 👍

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I can't find this applet at ifttt. Do you have a link?

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For others who are trying to find proper URL of virtual switch to put in IFTTT, you have to click on your virtual switch and drill down to the STATE endpoint, and then on Settings.

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My virtual weather station went offline 2 days ago, and now every astro rules is not working?

When will be fixed?

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A new firmware was released, but not sure if this is now fixed, currently it does not seem to fetch new data.

I managed to update only one of the 5 stations but with data from 5th march, not now.

There is no announcement or official guide yet.

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In the API, under firmware, you will see an annoucement with the fixes. There it is stated thate a few weatherstations can be selected. I have tried but i think this is not operational yet.

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Now are available more options for "location" selection while creating a Virtual Weather ...

... but anyway none of them is updating at present (and newly added seems totally blank)

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In the changlog of the latest firmware is notice:

Weather:added SunriseSunset calculator

But the question is how can we use this new feature???

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With the new firmware 1.3.59, weather station provider Weather Underground has been replaced with Yahoo weather by default. However, there will be couple providers supported after we updated web UI (early next week).

Weather Underground has been replaced since they stopped their commercial service after IBM took them over.

From now on, Zipato controllers will fetch weather data directly from weather data provider and not from Zipato cloud like it was the case until now. Zipato was never charging for this service in the past. Not the service quality will depend on weather station providers which are selected by each users.

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Hi Sebastian

good news. Do we have with the new firmware also a possibility to use only the sunset/sunrise planer without the wheater station? I saw in the changlog the notice "SunriseSunset calculator". If not do you know how long does it take to get the first update in the wheater station? At the moment the wheaterstation still shows me still the last update von on 5 of March.

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Unfortunately, you will need to create new weather station now. Old one is still pointing to WU. Sunrise and Sunset are calculated in the controller now, but this may still be buggy for the next couple of days.

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Firmware upgraded.

New virtual weather station created.

Old virtual weather deleted.

Synced.

New virtual weather station still do not work.

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Same situation. Firmware upgraded and new weather station created but info in the weather station is blank. Location: Sevilla, Spain

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mhrm... i won't bagging you - is there an update for ZipaMini...?

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Mhrm... i tested the New Firmware too...

Deleted the old Station, created a new one, same Problem... No Sunset, no Sunrise, no Wheater...

I added a Motion-Sensor of Neo Coolcam with Luxmeter (light/huesensor): Year - Motion - but no possibility to setup it for sunset / sunrise-Alternative.... (See other Topic in "Compatiblity")

Zipato - what's goin on here....?

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Hello

my zipamicro doesn't find any new update !!! How can I force the new firmware to be updated?

thank you

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Dont work with Zipatile 1.3.60j

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did you make a new one?

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Hello,

can everybody tell which box is used? Does this update work with Box 1?

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Hello,

This still does not work after the Zipabox software layout.

When will you fix the Zipato problem?

http://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=19/11/2bbz.jpg

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Zipabox1 should have firmware version 1.3.60 and above in order to have functional weather station. With 1.3.59 there is some issue with fetching data from Yahoo which is currently default provider. Next week, weather station will be further upgraded in web UI. If you don't see 1.3.60 yet, just wait.

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Thanks. That explains my case. I have 1.3.59 version. I do not see 1.3.60 yet

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Probably say this before we all updated to 1.3.59 would have been better..

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Or simply not releasing 1.3.59 as stable.

I'm still without wheater station and firmware 1.3.60 not available yet as stable upgrade.


Do I have to go beta to find it?


Anyway the whole situation is a total mess

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As a very critical user I can see that it seems to be a mess. But it isn't. WU (weatherstation) is NOT a Zipato problem, but also via IFTTT and other media.

ZIPATO: advice: first do a qualified reality test, before messaging a solution and new firmware. The problem is complicated, As I can understand. We have to create a more solid solution, but that is more than a simple upgrade. Source Problem is NOT Zipato, but escaping Weather Underground as far what I could see now.

rgs Arnold Vermeulen

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Thank you for understanding. We are now enabling Yahoo service as default just to help to majority of customers to have easy option. However, there are couple of service providers supported and we will enable them in UI next week. This will give some backup options to users. Additionally, controller will now directly communicate with weather service, not through our cloud.

With version 1.3.59 we had some issue with fetching, but it is fixed in 1.3.60 so Yahoo should work now.

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Reality Check: If IFTTT works Zipato work Too en vise versa (eg both not working).

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Hi FYI- I have upgraded to Firmware version 59 and installed the new weather widget but it does not fetching any info. IFTTT does work for me and is sufficient work around for my sunset / sunrise rules. Someone posted instructions for IFTTT a couple of days ago.

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From: Zipato Support Portal

Sent: ‎3/‎17/‎2019 1:01

To: Andreas Haberland

Subject: New Comment in "weather station does'nt work"

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Everything is fine now with FW 1.3.60. Weather seems to work now. Sunset/sunrise is o.k. But there is no precipitation.

BTW: I have sunset/sunrise backup from IfTTT but I like the Zipato solution much better, because it keeps the time if internet is off.

If my internet is off (Router failure or I do not want my box always connected), Sunset/sunrise time stays with the last sync. I can live with this for a week or so.

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What box do you use?

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Zipabox 1 FW 1.3.60

However I had to create new virtual weather devices and I deleted the old ones.

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Zipato box 1

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Zipato Support Portal

Sent: ‎3/‎17/‎2019 12:30

To: Andreas Haberland

Subject: New Comment in "weather station does'nt work"

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zipamicro 1.3.60 weather update works again :-)

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How did you load 1.3.60 on Zipamicro, NEWEST loads 1.3.59 and BETA loads 1.3.48

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I rolled back to the beta 1.3.48 then he shows me again the update to 1.3.59 and after this Update the zipamicro shows me the version 1.3.60

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LOL... You are right, after doing the same it loaded 1.3.60 looks like it works on Zipamicro but it doesn't seem to work on 1.3.60j for the Zipatile 1.

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@Alberto what do you mean it doesn't work on Zipatile1?

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@Sebastian

This is what I mean; I loaded 1.3.60 on Zipamicro (BTW for some reason on Zipamicro you don't get the loading bar while upgrading firmware), then deleted current weather station, created new (showed online), sync, changed schedulers, sync rules, and so far so good. Will see if my exterior lights turn on automatically in a couple of hours.

On Zipatile 1 did the same but weather stations shows always offline, I can see the location with information on yahoo website. See attached.

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Works fine again

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1.3.60 is still not offered for my cluster (zipamicro and zipabox)

I have currently installed 1.3.44 as Beta.

API return for available versions:

{    "id": 130,    "firmwareType": "SYSTEM",    "releaseType": "RELEASE",    "version": "1.2.41"  },  {    "id": 173,    "firmwareType": "SYSTEM",    "releaseType": "BETA",    "version": "1.3.44"  },

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API returns old values. Try to upgrade to the release version. Here that results in 1.3.60

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I have a Zipatile and still can´t upgrade to 1.3.60. Weather doesn´t work with 1.3.59j

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My Zipatile upgraded to 1.3.59 on Friday through a pop-up that I received when logging in to the web UI. When I did a manual upgrade to the latest FW about an hour ago I received 1.3.60.

IFTTT integration didn't work with 1.3.59 on Friday, but that seemed to be fixed Saturday during the day. Right now both the old API URLs (i.e. the 'valueX=' ones) and the new API URLs (with the unique UUIDs) work without a problem.

With 1.3.59 a new Weather Station I created did receive data on the Zipatile itself, but the data didn't come through to the web UI or the Android App. Now with 1.3.60 I seem to have weather data everywhere again. Unfortunately Yahoo doesn't seem to give precipation data, but I already fixed that through a WU->IFTTT->Zipato integration.

I haven't tested if sunrise/sunset-rules work again, but I guess I will find out tomorrow. For now with 1.3.60 everything seems to work again.

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no solution for the Zipabox 1 ?

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Hello,

I tried to go back to the previous firmware and now my box is blocked, the LED flashes blue.

What should I do ?

The firmware of my box is 1.3.59

I tried a soft reset and it does not work.

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Hard reset ok

updated to 1.3.60

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The light is green but nothing works :(

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I had the same problem last night: Updated, restartet, nothing - no Switch was working.

This morning i've dis/connected the Powerline - now it's working fine; except the WeatherSuff - and Sunrise / Sunset... :-/


Edit: whoops.. when i logged in to the Web-Interface i can see, the Controller was back to 1.3.59.... i'll try again to update to 1.3.60 and look what will happen again...

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Thank you for your reply.I will wait.

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I still have no possibility to Upgrade to version 1.3.60. I did a downgrade to previous version and then selected the release version with no affect. When I than select Beta Version, 1.3.44 is loaded again. No reply on my support ticket. :-(

Cluster with ZipaMicro and old Zipabox

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I use my shutter SOMFY RTS for 4 years and everything worked normally except since your last update, I want to find the same conditions that I had!

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After the update I had to refresh all my schedulers: set all the start dates in the future. Than it worked. Perhaps this is the cause of some of the troubles.

Also: Some puzzles in the rule creator are mixed now. The WHEN-piece is call IF and vice versa. I can live with this when I know it.

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Yes!!!

It works: sunset and sunrise, temperature, humidity, minimum and maximum temperatures of the next 3 days. Thank you so much!You must delete the existing virtual device, synchronize, refresh, and declare a new virtual device. Do not be afraid to insist: I had to delete a second time and then recreate to see the screenshot!Awesome!

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It looks like it works but sunset didn't trigger the rules, because the weather synced after the sunset time. Hopefully it will tomorrow sync earlier.

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I see the weather station with all the data for my city but my sunset rules didn't trigger. Zipabox 1 with 1.3.60. Location: Sevilla, Spain.

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Same for me, rules not triggered for sunset and sunrise. Weather station syncs correctly and I rebuild the schedulers...

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Same for me - weather station sunset didn't trigger my rules.

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Same here. New weather device. New rules. Weather device updates. But sunrise does not fire!

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Same here, new weather station didn't trigger sunset rule box 1 ver 60. I suspect that the scheduler my take some patience. In the mean time I use IFTTT which works.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Zipato Support Portal

Sent: ‎3/‎19/‎2019 8:15

To: Andreas Haberland

Subject: New Comment in "weather station does'nt work"

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Zipabox1 - 1.3.60 - new weather station created - sunrise/sunset dependent rules edited and synced - no rules execution.

There's someone that TEST firmwares before release?!?!?!?!

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Same here. I was mistaken. I thought sunset/sunrise is working. But it is not. I was depending on my backups.


Also, Zipato was not sending any mails until 9 AM.


If the weather station gives only sunset/sunrise is fine but not very valuable. I need also precipitation forecast. This is used to shut off my irrigation before it starts to rain.

However, the for variables of the weather stations I can chose a lot of parameters, but none works. (see enclosure)


The mix-up of the WHEN and IF puzzles might be a result of a new translation (WENN, FALLS in German) ???(see enclosure)

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Yes in deed under 1.3.60 with Box 1 sunset and sunrise does not work in rules.

Chris

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Doesn't work here either

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+1 Weather shows online on Zipamicro but doesn't trigger schedulers, yes, new schedulers.

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Same with me...annoying

Le mar. 19 mars 2019 à 20:02, Zipato Support Portal <mailer@3plus.hr> a écrit :

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Same here.

1. ZipaBox1 upgraded to 1.3.60.

2. Old WeatherStation deleted.

3. New WeatherStation created... it get updated, so it's working.

4. Old rules updated with the new WeatherStation.

5. Rules/Zipabox synced to cloud

BUT Sunset/Sunrise don't trigger any rules. :-(

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Same here. Exactly the same scenario...

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In my case I have reverted back to a perfectly working IFTTT solution as plan B for sunset and sunrise to trigger the rules. New weather station didn't work with scheduler. I noticed that the new weather station doesn't have all the information such as wind and rain, why is that? How often is the weather station to sync?  Using box 1 with ver 60.

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Zipato Support Portal

Sent: ‎3/‎20/‎2019 14:16

To: Andreas Haberland

Subject: New Comment in "weather station does'nt work"

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I did not update at this point just to avoid these issues... It really feels like we are beta testing the new firmware every time.

For me personally I'm still fan of the system and love the flexibility but with these unstable releases I can't justify to recommend these to friends and family let alone do it from a business perspective.

A small call to Zipato (and again here to help) : please communicate more, give more clear view on the issues and work with the community to get them solved.

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I didn't upgrade any firmware since 1.3.13. Remarkable is that since I rebuild DAY ON-OFF via both Weatherstation as via IFTTT, both do work with the old firmware 1.3.13. The old weatherstations ( I have installed 3 stations in the Netherlands); none gives weather, temp, etc. But Astrotime does work; strange!

Conclusions:

1- doing nothing or IFTTT is best stategy

2- a lot seems to be unstable in new firmware or problem is outside Zipato

3 - management by panic is worst thing to do

4. To ZIPATO: make a small but relevant user-Testgroup (volunteers?); maybe there is already.

5 - suppose I do an upgrade from 1.3.13 to 1.3.60: can I rollback to 1.3.13? I have my doubts... so I wait ...

More general: we are all searching for innovation and breaking frontiers in Domotica, we all have a dream to realize. let's do it !

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Yes you can downgrade with API dashboard using POST /firmware/upgrade command and with Id 135

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What id has the firmware 1.3.60? I still don't get this version offered

I know:

ID 130 -> 1.2.41

ID 135 -> 1.3.13

ID 173 -> 1.3.44

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Same here. New weather device. New rules. Weather device updates. But sunrise does not fire!

Please fix!!!!!!!

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I decided to stick with 1.3.13 and even though the weather station no longer displays any info all my rules related to them luckily still work however sunset and sunrise are now fixed times as they do not get updated.. hopefully a fix will be released soon so I can update my firmware.

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Is there any indication, when it will be fixed?

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I am getting tired of this situation. If Zipato is not able or doesn't want to support Zipabox 1 and it's current customers please open source the box software so the Community can take care of it's problems.

With this kind of low performance solving important issues and lack of focus on good service current Zipabox 1 users will never migrate to Zipabox 2.

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Open the source. I will be happy to solve the issues that zipato cannot solve with this poor quality support. Sunset ans sunrise trigger dozen of rules in my place and this situation is not acceptable.

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@Zipato: Please.... news

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Hi there, for Europe/Czech rep. is weather fixed. Thanks! But for the future should be better to test the new version thoroughly prior to release.

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I totally agree. Greets from the Netherlands.

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Weather station works now, but sunset/sunrise don't trigger my rules.

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+1 same for me

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Everything seems to work now. I have Zipabox 1 with firmware 1.3.61. Tip, if your weather station don't update try with another city nearby. That worked for me...

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Weather fail to update in Europe/Portugal even after rebuild the virtual station.

Sunset and sunrise doesn't trigger my rules.

All is broken here.

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Same in Paris

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You're right, with IFTTT and a virtual switch we can help ourselves despite insufficient Zipato Sunset trigger. But I have to admit that I'm tired of finding workarounds for Zipato problems all the time. More than 60 reasons have kept me from replacing my Zipabox so far. I haven't recommended my Zipabox to friends and colleagues for a long time. Before investing in the Zipabox2 again, I will probably leave the system. Your mission was and is great, but the implementation unfortunately frustrates more and more. I am really disappointed.


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Triggered by the reply form Eva:

ZIPATO-team should be more communicative; it's their power and marketing strategy long term.

Lets go back to our pioneering phase, learning together. We should separate external defficiencies (as Weatherstation eg WU underground) from ZIPATO actions. What do we do with external problems?

I still volunteer in a testteam, but got no reaction from ZIPATO.

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Have same issue. Weather station works but can not trigger rules on sunrise and sunset.

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New weather station has sunrise and sunset it doesn't trigger rules. Wind and precipitation data missing. Still using IFTTT work around. Rules generator lost all my devices. Fibaro door sensors where sticking in wrong state magically fixed today?

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Zipato Support Portal

Sent: ‎3/‎26/‎2019 11:26

To: Andreas Haberland

Subject: New Comment in "weather station does'nt work"

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FYI: Just made another firmware update to ver 1.3.61 on box 1. Weather station still does not work with wind & rain and devices gone in rules again!? Can't say yet whether sunset rules will work? I could use some magic for my devices in the rules creator 😊

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Zipato Support Portal

Sent: ‎3/‎26/‎2019 11:41

To: Andreas Haberland

Subject: New Comment in "weather station does'nt work"

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Windspeed and winddirection are working now

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I tested sunset with offset timer for testing and I received the event. looks like sunset and sunrise schedule trigger is now back with version 61

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Hi, did you have to create new wether station or replace the location or it worked by simply firmware upgrade? I would like to aoid inserting a new station into all my related rules

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Does anyone know how often wind direction and wind speed is updated? Can this be changed to have a faster and more accurate data?

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Check your eventmanager. But I think that the update frequency is less than 1 hour. If your want it more frequently you have to buy your own weatherstation.

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I just upgraded my Zipatile to the latest beta firmware and received 1.3.62. I will check tomorrow if the sunrise/sunset rules trigger with this version.

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I just upgraded my ZipaBox1 and whilst it told me to upgrade to 1.3.60, it actually upgraded to 1.3.61. I created a new "Weather" but it is blank in all parameters :-(

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Update: with 1.3.62 the sunrise rule triggered again. All my issues are solved now.

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Dag Koen, zullen we een keer bellen? Ik woon om de hoek. Weatherstation Delft is also OK.

I didn't upgrade from 1.16 till now. Zie kernkwaliteiten.nl voor mijn contactgegevens.

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Where is the Update 62? I have only 60... :-(

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It's a beta, so you have to upgrade your controller to the latest beta firmware.

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I do not want to install a beta version... :(

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The beta worked for me as well.

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Unfortunately not in the iOS app. Maybe in the new app when it is ready in a few months.

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Unfortunately 1.3.62 doesn't do the trick :-(

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It takes 1-2 hours until you get the first update

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Weather app is updating....

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I am in 1.3.61 and a simple rule with sunset works ... see screenshot attached

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It is unbelievable! No one at ZIPATO is fixing this bug by an official Software-Update!

The bug is known for many days now!

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It seems fixed in 1.3.61 and 1.3.62.

Did you create a NEW weather station after the upgrade from an earlier firmware to 1.3.59 or later? That is necesarry, because only new weather stations get their data from the new source (Yahoo in stead of Weather Underground).

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Yes i did. Virtual weather is working. But all my rules with weather are not working. There is still no trigger.

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New beta will solve all issues. But I am still suprised that i need to find information here that I need to update to the new beta to get it solved.

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I totally agree! ZIPATO should think about that.

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Sunset/Sunrise seems to work now with FW 1.3.62.

However, Yahoo does not deliver precipitation forecast etc.

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It seems it worked yesterday. This morning sunrise and the rest of my time fixed schedulers did not trigger!. Firmware 1.3.62

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With 1.3.61j (official) and renew the weather "device" I get the updates.


What I wonder is if the weather "icon" description is the same in yahoo than in weather underground, or if Zipato converts that to the old weather underground. E.g. in WU it was "mostlysunny", Yahoo seems to have a space in between "mostly sunny".

Can Zipato or anybody shed some light on this?


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1.3.62 sunrise worked for me today but at sunset it's the same again, no trigger. It seems the problem is not solved. :-(

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Good evening,


Zipabox 1 in 1.3.60, no message.

Zipabox 2 in 1.3.61, message received at sunset

Best regards

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Sunset was working for me, but I made new rules. Maybe this is a difference? (1.3.61)

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ICON mapping is missing. Used this parameter for activating the screeners by sunny weather :-(.


Action:

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Data

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Result:

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A workaround could be to use the "weatherDesc" but this parameter isn't available:

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@Zipato support: Please map the icon data, or enable weatherDesc as a parameter.

BR,

Walter.

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Hi ,

Now it's working (1.3.61). But i have deleted the old weather virtual modul and create a new one. Synchronize box and changing the rule with new weather reference.

Best regards


JM

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Finally working here. I have updated to Beta 1.3.62 and SUNSET/SUNRISE based rules work again.

The Weather Station is partially working. Precipitation and wind forecast are not available.

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Same here

Le jeu. 28 mars 2019 à 22:51, Zipato Support Portal <mailer@3plus.hr> a écrit :

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With 1.3.61 and a new weather station the sunset/sunrise-rules are triggered.

The weather station shows all values except for the rain-amount.

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not sure...

I never have seen the wind values.

And I'm missing the temperature prediction for the current day (for next 3 days it is available)

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Status update: My weather station shows offline now. Sunset and Sunrise rules are still working.

What a mess...

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I also do not have a wather station.The sun does not work

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I meanwhile updated to 1.3.62 Beta on my Zipabox 1 and still the Virtual Weather is not working.

I deleted the weather station several times and recreated it.On top, I cannot delete the Astro-Values from my Planners. It always jumps back to Sunset and since there is no sunset value, my Roller-shutters are not lowering at all automatically.

This is one of the main usecases for the box for me, and now rendered useless.

Please do something about it quick!

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I have also updated to beta 1.3.62 and my sunset and sunrise rules are working like a charm. I deleted the old station, added a new one and did not even have to recreate my rules..

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Got the same problem, just downloaded the Beta version, see if it works tonight!

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and it's working again! beta version is working correctly with the weather station

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I have a Cluster of Zipatile and Zipabox 1, i have updated them to the Beta, make a new Weatherstation, but still no weather an none of the Rules with Sunset and Sunrise is working.

I am so tired of Zipato...

Markus

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If you have upgraded to the latest beta it should work.

If it does not work with your new weatherstation (wait for a hour or so) raise a ticket.

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I have a similar complex installation - weather station is working with 62

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I also still get no values with my Zipabox 1 and .63 meanwhile.

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Did you try a different city nearby?

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Markus, the new Yahoo data provider seems to provide some very specific locations (like your "Frankfurt Aiport") and those specific locations (i.e.: not villages, towns, etc.) don't give results.

Try to make a Weather Station for just "Frankfurt" or a town nearby and I'm sure it'll work.

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I tried some different cities. But the ones I can choose always com from a dropdown list, so it should be the ones that are available on yahoo, or not?

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Set a different one now again and wait if it changes anything...

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And this is what I see on the Yahoo webpage:

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But I cannot select that in the virtual weather station...

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And still no data.... :-(

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Can anybody provide me with a city that works - just to see if it also works on my system...

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For me it works with Wateringen, The Netherlands.

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The last sync time on mine is always 2 hours behind the actual time.

It also appears to update only once an hours....the weather shcnages a lot in 1 hour in Scotland !

That is no good if i want the action things based on the weather.

Running 63 beta.

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That's the drawback of the virtual weatherstation: always 1 or 2 hours behind and updating once an hour. I only use it for sunset / sunrise values. If you want to have something realtime the only thing is, i think, is to buy a station of your own.

(Or leave Scotland to an area with a more stable climate)

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Well...

I have updated to latest beta 1.3.63 and now all is broken again.

I deleted and recreated the virtual Weather Station. It remains offline and without any values.

Sunset and sunrise also don't show values. Probably rules will not be triggered.

I tested several cities in the configuration.

Damn all this...

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Just try: Zoelen, Netherlands. Works here. If this does not work raise a ticket.

-------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------

Van: Zipato Support Portal <mailer@3plus.hr>

Datum: 03-04-19 20:38 (GMT+01:00)

Aan: John Rabbit <john.konijnendijk@planet.nl>

Onderwerp: New Comment in "weather station does'nt work"

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Thanks, Zoelen works - so it's a problem that it is only not working in my area...

I'll open a ticket...

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I found that I needed to point the weather station at my closest large town.

Works for me with 1.3.61 on Zipabox 1 and sunset/sunrise events trigger correctly

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Still working with firmware 1.16 and all seems to be OK this day.

Sunset/rise did work for a couple of days/weeks . So what are the lessons learned till now? xx.62 version? Not clear.

Every day my wive says: 'hey, the sun did get up, according Zipato'. It makes her happy, so I am happy too.

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Sunset and sunrise also work in Leeuwarden the Netherlands

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Updated to Beta .64 and Weather Station is working again but only if I select the capital city (40+ km away from where I live)

Also Sunset and Sunrise rules.

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I set it to "Zoelen, netherlands", which worked for someone else here. That worked and now also my hometown (~33K people) works.

Maybe that fixed something in the background...

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Hi, can you confirm that the weather ICON is available again in Beta .64?

Thanks,

Walter.

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Has anyone been able to clarify if the wether ICON works and what are the codes (sunny, Mostly Cloudy...) we have to use? I have tried with the oficial Yahoo codes with/wo capital letters, w/wo spaces, using codes directly, without success at all. I asked support but I did not get a right answer


Yahoo Codes


Condition CodesCondition codes are used in the response to describe the current conditions.Code

Description


tornado

1

tropical storm

2

hurricane

3

severe thunderstorms

4

thunderstorms

5

mixed rain and snow

6

mixed rain and sleet

7

mixed snow and sleet

8

freezing drizzle

9

drizzle

10

freezing rain

11

showers

12

showers

13

snow flurries

14

light snow showers

15

blowing snow

16

snow

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hail

18

sleet

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dust

20

foggy

21

haze

22

smoky

23

blustery

24

windy

25

cold

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cloudy

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mostly cloudy (night)

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mostly cloudy (day)

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partly cloudy (night)

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partly cloudy (day)

31

clear (night)

32

sunny

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fair (night)

34

fair (day)

35

mixed rain and hail

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hot

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isolated thunderstorms

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scattered thunderstorms

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scattered thunderstorms

40

scattered showers

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heavy snow

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scattered snow showers

43

heavy snow

44

partly cloudy

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thundershowers

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snow showers

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isolated thundershowers

3200

not available


Thanks

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ICON does not work. There is no event generated for ICON. There is another event generated called: Weatherdesc. However you cannot select that in the event rules creator, yet.

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Thanks!. Do you know if there are plans to fix it? I have 1.3.64 in Zipabox 1

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Some time ago i submitted a ticket for this. The answer was:

"Hello John, thank you for the feedback. We're working on the issue regarding the weather station. Please be patient as it will be resolved soon.

Best regards,

Stefan"


So I will be patient.

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Hi, I've also opened a ticket recently about this.


Got the answer that "ICON" will be removed from the rule engine. Just today I got the question how I was able to use "ICON" in the past and that they just got a picture information. However I've used the info (used to be a string) to make a logic(see below). I hope they bring it back - or even better use the weather description numbers. In the mean time I try IFTTT with the WU triggers (tomorrows forecast calls for clear / cloudy). However - that is not working properly as WU triggers at random times.