Alternatives for alarm keypad(controller)

I do see your point, however as we do not have other keys (except car keys) I seek to find a solution without having to carry an RFID tag.

In hindsight I whish that I had bought another electronic door lock than yale doorman as it currently does not support zwave.

I guess the Yale is Zigbee then? This is supported with Zigbee module, limited though. You can get lock and unlock status and issue lock and unlock commands, but no setting of pins or acting upon different pin codes.

You can use many different methods if you add a Fibaro Binary sensor to the output of a reader. A bluetooth or RFID reader attached to the binary sensor will allow you to trigger an alarm. Or if you want to spend the money the 2N Vario intercoms have a variety of functions including bluetooth modules, pins, rfid, NFC, and activating http commands upon different users.

I have been doing some reading on the yale doorman. Found also some information in English in the below link.

http://www.duppeditten.com/blog/smart-locks-for-Scandinavian-doors

Seems as though the yale doorman is mostly sold in the Scandinavian market. This lock can be integrated with alarm systems from known Scandinavian alarm providers such as "Sector Alarm" and "Verisure". To integrate the lock means installing a small chip in the lock as also discussed in the above link. I have been unable to find out what protocol or frequency this chip operate, however I do believe that it is not at the know open protocols. Also as far as I can see, yale products sold elsewhere in the world do support z-wave, however I do not think the technology is transferable.

So, as I have 3 of these electronic locks, changing them is not an option at the moment.

I very much like your idea of adding a binary sensor to the lock output. However this is currently outside my basic understanding of z-wave. Are there anyone who can help me with this? I am struggling to find a good picture of what the inside of the lock looks like, however in the link mentioned above there is some information.

Recently Yale Has released a remote control which requires a remote control module to be installed as show in the picture below

http://byggeshop.no/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/4/5/45550566_2_mottaker_byggeshop.jpg

Is there some way of connection a z wave sensor to the remote control module or instead of the module?`

Some additional information.

I found a yale doorman radio module online (Link below) which is sending on 868MHz frequency. I know that the nexa bridge gateway has the possibility of receiving 868MHz signal. Can a module be added to the Zipabox to allow same functionality. And if so, would you be able to include and program the unit as it is not constructed for an open protocol such as z-wave?

http://www.aptus.se/en/site/aptus/products/yale-doorman-and-aptus-system/radiomodulpaket/

Hans, in the description of the Yale Doorman it states z-wave is not currently supported, but may be in time. It will be as with other yale locks, such as this, https://www.amazon.com/Yale-Security-YRD-240-HA-619-Electronic-Technology/dp/B00IPQX3BY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495369486&sr=8-1&keywords=yale+zigbee , where you simply insert either a zwave or zigbee ha1.2 module as in the pictures you added last.

Also 868mhz does not necessarily mean Z-wave, I think Enocean also operates on this in Europe as does many security systems that use their own propriety protocols. Same frequency does not mean compatible protocols, take WiFi, bluetooth and ZigbeeHA. Also considering the lock, the fibaro binary sensor would not work as it need constant power not battery. I would use the Binary sensor with a 12v powered keypad/rfid reader.

Best bet considering your circumstance would be a zigbee module as it is the same frequency worldwide and add this to the lock. Try contacting your Yale distributor in your country or the HQ in USA. Maybe they can send you one. I say Zigbee as I do not know the frequency in Scand for Z-wave, and thus Yale may not have produced modules for their locks yet.

If you contact you Yale or Assa Abloy and find out if it is Z-wave they are using, please share. They have many interesting product there, in particular the keypad/mifare readers.

Hans,

I have two Yale door locks succesfully included to Zipato using Zwave modules, as far as I know only Yale Real living family is able to work through z-wave and zigbee. I actually use this to arm/disarm the system, according to yale documentation, any of their locks with this module can handle up to 250 users but zipato only lets you use 10, I know from Sebastian they are planning on updating this part on zipato side, as well as the ability of scheduling users.

My yale real living have arming/disarming events either while using the keypad or if you turn the know to lock unlock. Also have a lock similar to doorman lock (previous version) this one however is on purpose "Offline", I guess at the beginning I was worried Zipato interface wouldn't be safe and also because there is no biometric door lock zwave or zigbee enabled that I could find. This lock has also the slot for the remote control module, which is the same as the zwave module slot but unfortunatelly it does not work with the zwave module (already tried).

http://www.yalehome.com/en/yale/yalehome/residential/yale-real-living/key-free-deadbolt/

http://www.yalehome.com/en/yale/yalehome/residential/yale-real-living/touchscreen-deadbolt/

http://www.yalehome.com/en/yale/yalehome/residential/yale-real-living/push-button-deadbolt/

http://www.yalehome.com/en/yale/yalehome/residential/yale-real-living/levers/

http://www.yalehome.com/en/yale/yalehome/residential/small-business-solutions/yale-nextouch-for-small-business/

http://www.yalehome.com/en/yale/yalehome/residential/yale-multi-family-solutions/yale-assure-electronic-interconnect/

https://www.amazon.com/Yale-Z-wave-Module-Electronic-CP2-5-3/dp/B00QBQBVAA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495426192&sr=8-1&keywords=yale+zwave+module

Thanks for your answers. As far as I understand you are correct Alberto. Even though I can find modules that will fit the yale door locks, made by yale, they are not compatible with the yale doorman and I cannot seem to understand why this is.

I have contacted yale head office to find out it they can give me a better answer and suggest a possible solution. I got nowhere with yale in Norway.

I will post the answer from yale in this thread so everyone can see. However I do not really think they will offer me any good solution.

So, I am back to my initial issue. What to use as Alarm panel to easily arm and disarm my home alarm system?

For information I think the best solution I have found so far is to have a Zipa Tile close to the main entrance as a means to control alarms and other function and then use the app when using the remaining entrances.

So I got a very quick reply from Yale which is good. It turns out that even if you send an email in English to yale in the UK you get a reply in Swedish. Nevertheless, below is a google translate of it. You will get the point.

Hi Hans Petter,

Yale in Scandinavia invests a lot of work on developing safe products and solutions, and wants to prevent them from connecting to systems that are unsafe. The systems we have integrated Doorman towards (Verisure, Sector, etc.) have a corresponding safety tip and we have jointly done both theoretical safety studies and practical penetration tests before launching the integration. Z-wave does not allow you to limit interoperability, and because you do not know which system a Z-Wave device is connected to, it is impossible to test and verify the security of the system.

We currently have no plans to launch a Z-wave module for the Scandinavian market. Modules from other regions can fit physically, but they use a different protocol and do not work at all in Scandinavian locks.

Hope this raises your question marks, even if that was not the answer you hoped for.

So it looks like I am back to plan B

Since you have been so kind in answering my questions, here is another one then.

If I buy a zipatile and include it in my existing system, how will this interact with my existing zipabox as I understand it is in itself a gateway.

Can I create a cluster system or will they exist as two separate units in the online interface, each with its separate included devices etc?