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Anybody using KNX with the Zipabox?
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My ventilation unit can be controlled either by KNX or by eBus. Since eBus/ModBus looks a like a dead end right now, I'm forced to consider KNX again.
Does anybody have experience with KNX? I looked into it and it looked horribly complex and over-engineered for connecting one domestic device.
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Well Dave. Your best bet is DeHelle. He is the master of KNX with Zipabox (other than Zipato itself). His blog is zipabox.de. you surely find contact info there for him.
Well Dave. Your best bet is DeHelle. He is the master of KNX with Zipabox (other than Zipato itself). His blog is zipabox.de. you surely find contact info there for him.
OK I'll check it out! Thanks.
By the way, I implemented your presence-detection scheme using Automate (rather than Tasker). It's working very nicely!
OK I'll check it out! Thanks.
By the way, I implemented your presence-detection scheme using Automate (rather than Tasker). It's working very nicely!
Good to know. If you find other easy steps to implement and are usefule, let me know.
Good to know. If you find other easy steps to implement and are usefule, let me know.
i use light switches and temperature sensors from the knx bus....
i use light switches and temperature sensors from the knx bus....
Is there any tutorial on connecting the module to the KNX system and configuring/including devices?
Is there any tutorial on connecting the module to the KNX system and configuring/including devices?
Have a look on zipabox.de zipato don't have any official guide
Have a look on zipabox.de zipato don't have any official guide
Attila, there's nothing on zipabox.de. He doesn't mention KNX at all.
Marcel, could you summarise what's needed for KNX for John and I and others like us? I get the impression that KNX was aimed at industrial uses and is not really meant to be understood by ordinary users. You're just supposed to hire a specialist installer to come and set it up for you.
From what I can gather, you need a KNX bus (but I don't know what that consists of) and it needs to be powered (do you power the bus itself or each individual device?). The device you want to connect and the Zipabox would both be devices on the bus. Also, all the documentation I've seen talks about using software such as ETS to design and configure the system. Would this need to be running all the time?
Basically, the inscrutable complexity of KNX was the reason I tried to go the apparently simpler eBus/ModBus route.
Attila, there's nothing on zipabox.de. He doesn't mention KNX at all.
Marcel, could you summarise what's needed for KNX for John and I and others like us? I get the impression that KNX was aimed at industrial uses and is not really meant to be understood by ordinary users. You're just supposed to hire a specialist installer to come and set it up for you.
From what I can gather, you need a KNX bus (but I don't know what that consists of) and it needs to be powered (do you power the bus itself or each individual device?). The device you want to connect and the Zipabox would both be devices on the bus. Also, all the documentation I've seen talks about using software such as ETS to design and configure the system. Would this need to be running all the time?
Basically, the inscrutable complexity of KNX was the reason I tried to go the apparently simpler eBus/ModBus route.
Hi David,
Before I advise you, I have not used to Zipato & have just received the
Zipatile and was looking in the forum to see how it is set up. But I have been
working over 6 years on KNX so I can answer your KNX questions.
I am not sure what ventilation unit you have, but if it can be
controlled by KNX. Then you need a KNX ventilation controller (i can give you
more info if you send me the spec). The KNX controller needs a bus power this
is provided by a KNX power supply. So you will need a KNX power supply and a
KNX ventilation controller, possibly a stat to control the ventilation? Now
from the KNX board (the KNX power supply and ventilation are usually din rail
mounted) a KNX cable (green 4 core) is ran to the thermostat (KNX stat). This
is the general wiring. Now this ventilation unit has to be commissioned by
ETS(this is the KNX software). It can be tricky but there are a lot of
documentation out there you can have a read about on how to programme it.
The Zipato has a KNX module. You connect this to the main module. The
KNX Module will require the same bus supply to it as well. This way when an
information is sent from the ventilation unit it is recieved by the KNX module
and then can be combined with products controlled by Zipato.
Hope i have been useful.
Thanks,
Vimal
Hi David,
Before I advise you, I have not used to Zipato & have just received the
Zipatile and was looking in the forum to see how it is set up. But I have been
working over 6 years on KNX so I can answer your KNX questions.
I am not sure what ventilation unit you have, but if it can be
controlled by KNX. Then you need a KNX ventilation controller (i can give you
more info if you send me the spec). The KNX controller needs a bus power this
is provided by a KNX power supply. So you will need a KNX power supply and a
KNX ventilation controller, possibly a stat to control the ventilation? Now
from the KNX board (the KNX power supply and ventilation are usually din rail
mounted) a KNX cable (green 4 core) is ran to the thermostat (KNX stat). This
is the general wiring. Now this ventilation unit has to be commissioned by
ETS(this is the KNX software). It can be tricky but there are a lot of
documentation out there you can have a read about on how to programme it.
The Zipato has a KNX module. You connect this to the main module. The
KNX Module will require the same bus supply to it as well. This way when an
information is sent from the ventilation unit it is recieved by the KNX module
and then can be combined with products controlled by Zipato.
Hope i have been useful.
Thanks,
Vimal
Dave. Not sure if you have read the other topic, but here is helle's email address: info AT control-your-home.de
Dave. Not sure if you have read the other topic, but here is helle's email address: info AT control-your-home.de
Vimal,
Hi, thanks for the very useful info. The ventilation unit is a Brink Renovent Sky 150 Plus (also known as Siber in Spain). I've attached the manual (annoying, it's not text searchable).
The connections are detailed from page 80. I think the manual manages not to mention KNX once, but the "Plus" version is supposed to be the one which include the option of control via home automation. Getting information out of them was like getting blood out of a stone, but they told me it used KNX. So I gather the X15 connection must be the relevant one. Specifically, they refer to 0-10 Volt input via connections X15-3 and X15-4. How this would translate into controlling the different parameters of the machine, I have not the faintest idea.
Why would it need a thermostat?
When you say it needs to be commissioned by ETS, do you mean that you need to run the ETS software at the beginning to set it up, but that it's not required afterwards? How would this interface to the PC where the ETS software is running?
It sort of confirms my feelings about the nightmarish complexity of KNX :-). But I'd like to pursue the idea at least to the extent of knowing what components I would need to buy to set it up.
Many thanks!
Vimal,
Hi, thanks for the very useful info. The ventilation unit is a Brink Renovent Sky 150 Plus (also known as Siber in Spain). I've attached the manual (annoying, it's not text searchable).
The connections are detailed from page 80. I think the manual manages not to mention KNX once, but the "Plus" version is supposed to be the one which include the option of control via home automation. Getting information out of them was like getting blood out of a stone, but they told me it used KNX. So I gather the X15 connection must be the relevant one. Specifically, they refer to 0-10 Volt input via connections X15-3 and X15-4. How this would translate into controlling the different parameters of the machine, I have not the faintest idea.
Why would it need a thermostat?
When you say it needs to be commissioned by ETS, do you mean that you need to run the ETS software at the beginning to set it up, but that it's not required afterwards? How would this interface to the PC where the ETS software is running?
It sort of confirms my feelings about the nightmarish complexity of KNX :-). But I'd like to pursue the idea at least to the extent of knowing what components I would need to buy to set it up.
Many thanks!
Hi Attila. Which other topic?
Hi Attila. Which other topic?
Dave, Im not sure. I might be wrong but the search on community does not return any results under KNX. Best bet is to send an email to derHelle info AT control-your-home.de
Dave, Im not sure. I might be wrong but the search on community does not return any results under KNX. Best bet is to send an email to derHelle info AT control-your-home.de
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