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Geofencing
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Hi
It would be nice, if zipabox could detect wlan (ping) devices through the mac address in range/out of range. This way geofencing functionality would be possible.
Cheers
I like this idea 
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U can try this one:
http://zipabox.de/connection-tracking-mit-der-zipabox/
regards Helle
U can try this one:
http://zipabox.de/connection-tracking-mit-der-zipabox/
regards Helle
Hi derHelle
Thanks for your fast reply. I've seen this one already... I have a raspberry pi and i know how to ping devices.
Rather than that, I'd like to be able to manage geofencing directly from my new zipabox!
One thing I'm using home automation for is to save energy when i'm not at home. Having said this, another device consuming power makes not a lot of sense to me...
But your input is highly appreciated! :)
Cheers
Hi derHelle
Thanks for your fast reply. I've seen this one already... I have a raspberry pi and i know how to ping devices.
Rather than that, I'd like to be able to manage geofencing directly from my new zipabox!
One thing I'm using home automation for is to save energy when i'm not at home. Having said this, another device consuming power makes not a lot of sense to me...
But your input is highly appreciated! :)
Cheers
A rasp PI doesnt use much power. But I understand what you mean, we should not have to run another program on another device to achieve this.
The problem we have found, is using GPS on a phone is battery consuming. And setting something up on a customers phone for "pinging" ad device is all well and good, but what happens when the customer changes phones.
We have been using the IFTTT channel and the android or IOS location services to trigger virtual meters and add/subtract values. But to be honest, not the most reliable methods. It depends on your location, local wifis, your local cell stations, and speed you are travelling. Pinging a wifi is usually to slow to automatically open a gate or garage door when arriving home, even is you have decent wifi coverage to the front of the house. And what happens when your phone temporarily drops off the network then reconnects, does you Zipato system then run a welcome scenario again. Or maybe when you phone goes flat because you forgot to put it on charge, and your home thinks you are away and arms the alarm.
I have found to many bugs and not enough simple solutions. Basically I use the IFTTT for arm away, and leave everything else to RFID tags, app, NFC triggers(also an issue if customer changes phone), zwave remotes, and voice.
A rasp PI doesnt use much power. But I understand what you mean, we should not have to run another program on another device to achieve this.
The problem we have found, is using GPS on a phone is battery consuming. And setting something up on a customers phone for "pinging" ad device is all well and good, but what happens when the customer changes phones.
We have been using the IFTTT channel and the android or IOS location services to trigger virtual meters and add/subtract values. But to be honest, not the most reliable methods. It depends on your location, local wifis, your local cell stations, and speed you are travelling. Pinging a wifi is usually to slow to automatically open a gate or garage door when arriving home, even is you have decent wifi coverage to the front of the house. And what happens when your phone temporarily drops off the network then reconnects, does you Zipato system then run a welcome scenario again. Or maybe when you phone goes flat because you forgot to put it on charge, and your home thinks you are away and arms the alarm.
I have found to many bugs and not enough simple solutions. Basically I use the IFTTT for arm away, and leave everything else to RFID tags, app, NFC triggers(also an issue if customer changes phone), zwave remotes, and voice.
Hi Adrian
Thanks for your response.
I think most of the problems you mention with wlan connection checking are solvable. E.g. A situation change because of a drop off from the network could be avoided with a wait function before changing any values. Changing a phone can be solved by changing the mac address.
Cheers
Hi Adrian
Thanks for your response.
I think most of the problems you mention with wlan connection checking are solvable. E.g. A situation change because of a drop off from the network could be avoided with a wait function before changing any values. Changing a phone can be solved by changing the mac address.
Cheers
Pinging phones is not a reliable method, imo
Iphones shut down wifi when the screen is off, some Android models too.
Bluetooth is shut down when battery is low.
Reliable presence detection is difficult. A mix between gps, wifi and bluetooth with some logics added to it seems like the most reliable solution, but is high maintenance.
We all need RFID implants, I think 🙂
Pinging phones is not a reliable method, imo
Iphones shut down wifi when the screen is off, some Android models too.
Bluetooth is shut down when battery is low.
Reliable presence detection is difficult. A mix between gps, wifi and bluetooth with some logics added to it seems like the most reliable solution, but is high maintenance.
We all need RFID implants, I think 🙂
I use Life 360 together with IFFT on Android and Iphone and it works decent, it is not hard to setup.
I use Life 360 together with IFFT on Android and Iphone and it works decent, it is not hard to setup.
I use Tasker with GPS location. It works flawlessly for me (much better than IFTTT plus no cloud location reporting -- all is handled from my phone)
I use Tasker with GPS location. It works flawlessly for me (much better than IFTTT plus no cloud location reporting -- all is handled from my phone)
I agree with you all. The issue I find is providing this for a client. For DIY'ers, sure using tasker GPS (battery draining, and I know you set perimeters and use Wifi and cell towers too) or pinging phones may work, but you do not want a client to have to continually get you back to install new apps on phones or rewrite programs for new phones all the time. Or if a client leaves/forgets their phone at home.
IFTTT is pretty easy, and removes the liability on us providing a reliable arm/disarm function. Hopefully the new z-wave winner will have their product to market very soon. An z-wave presence sensor.
There are zigbee versions of these, but Zipato have not included any in their system yet.
Hell, i dont even find the local connection with the phone and Zipatile working anymore.
I agree with you all. The issue I find is providing this for a client. For DIY'ers, sure using tasker GPS (battery draining, and I know you set perimeters and use Wifi and cell towers too) or pinging phones may work, but you do not want a client to have to continually get you back to install new apps on phones or rewrite programs for new phones all the time. Or if a client leaves/forgets their phone at home.
IFTTT is pretty easy, and removes the liability on us providing a reliable arm/disarm function. Hopefully the new z-wave winner will have their product to market very soon. An z-wave presence sensor.
There are zigbee versions of these, but Zipato have not included any in their system yet.
Hell, i dont even find the local connection with the phone and Zipatile working anymore.
Having tested a lot of stuff, on a bunch of different phones, my best advice with respect to 1) low impact on battery and 2) as few problems as possible and 3) low maintenance, is Life360 -> IFTTT -> Zipabox. Everything else I have tested, either drains batteries, fails to update or falls down.
Having tested a lot of stuff, on a bunch of different phones, my best advice with respect to 1) low impact on battery and 2) as few problems as possible and 3) low maintenance, is Life360 -> IFTTT -> Zipabox. Everything else I have tested, either drains batteries, fails to update or falls down.
I also find Life 360 and IFFTT to work fairly reliable, without to much battery drain and also fairly easy to setup. Will give tasker a try but not really willing to be draining my phone battery.
I also find Life 360 and IFFTT to work fairly reliable, without to much battery drain and also fairly easy to setup. Will give tasker a try but not really willing to be draining my phone battery.
I put my 2 cents on Life360 aswell. Works fine and is pretty easy to setup.
I wouldn't like zipato to spend 1 second on developing this feature, or any other (yes i'm looking at you, Cluster and SIP server) for that matter, until they get the basics right!
I put my 2 cents on Life360 aswell. Works fine and is pretty easy to setup.
I wouldn't like zipato to spend 1 second on developing this feature, or any other (yes i'm looking at you, Cluster and SIP server) for that matter, until they get the basics right!
Im using combination. I also use Life360 since I have seen the other post from Robert + also using IFTTT location tracker for both me and my partner. Even though it is not 100% but 99.5% reliable. This is by far the best solution I could find.
Im using combination. I also use Life360 since I have seen the other post from Robert + also using IFTTT location tracker for both me and my partner. Even though it is not 100% but 99.5% reliable. This is by far the best solution I could find.
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