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Long delay in update of state

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Since this morning I have a long delay in update of state for z-wave devices.


The devices responds directly on input from me or rules but the state and event logg is not updated.

Ticket opened.


Anyone else experience this issue right now?


Tobias

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I had the same issue yesterday...Ticket opened as well. By the afternoon (12:00pm CT) the status was updating in real time.

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I had the same issue yesterday...Ticket opened as well. By the afternoon (12:00pm CT) the status was updating in real time.

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I have the same problem. This must be a server issue, no need for ticket? Annoying that this happens on a weekend when i have the time to try out some new stuff and need update in real time.

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Dunno... The individual who answered my ticket did not seen aware of a server issue and asked for my serial to look into the issue further. The ticket is still open today.


Let's hope we can get some sort of dashboard or notification when there are server side issues so we know that the problem isn't on the client side.

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Servers are running under heavy load. We are setting up additional servers, and everything should be done tomorrow.

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It has been quick update of state all day but now the delay is back. Very frustrating!

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And again the delay is back!

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I have the same problem.

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And again, and again...!

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Here the same.... Annoying :-(

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Here the same. Very disapointed of zipabox cloud.

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Here the same. Very disapointed of zone abox cloud.

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The same for me. Cannot even sync my Zipaobx.

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me too

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Now my box is offline :(

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Me too and now i can't connect on the cloud

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Big problem to include new products in Z-Wave

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Same here.

Device statut not updated.

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Seems like my zipatobox working again, it would be interesting to know what caused the error.

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Yes, mine also working now and I manage to include. Perhaps some server problem

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It would be good if some information could be found on zipato.com since this affects all systems installed.

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Ahh, problem is back :(

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Dear,


Sometimes we have some minor server issue which is usually solved very quickly.

During that time there can be some sync issues.

But if server is offline your rules will still work because they are locally stored to your device.

In that time you are just not able to create new rules.


We are constantly improving user experience and server stability but during upgrade process server can be unavailable for some short time.


Best regards,


http://www.zipato.com

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I didn't know rules were store locally. That's great! I guess it happens the same with the virtual thermostat schedules, right?

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This is just a standard answer on all kind of problems regarding server/cloud issues. I just got a respond on another support ticket I sent in during the weekend and it was exactly the same content.

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Copy and paste masters...


yesterday i tried to rebuild my network with 200 devices - just managed to add 10 in one day because of multiple OFFLINE statuses...

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Synchronization failed since one hour now :(

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Yes, I'm having synchronization issues too...

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And state of some light devices where wrong/not updated.

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For me the scheduler stopped working. Dont understand why is the scheduler not local but cloud based. This is a critical feature for local execution.

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It's decided... the summer I change box... it is unusable

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Which box will you take ?

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Jeedom or eedomus+

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Jeedom seems much more promising for the open plugin platform.

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Same here, tested zipato box for 1-2 weeks... no debug logs, no plugins, no customization, not working rules, etc.

I will switch to SmartThings Hub next week and give this box a try. :-/

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Hi TanXX,


Have you opened a ticket on our Support so that we examine your issue?

I don't think that 2 weeks is enough to get to know our system, and use its full potential.


Best regards,

Branislav

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It would be interesting to communicate the status of the servers (in maintenace, offline problem...) like microsoft with the xbox live.

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Dear users,


Despite the load balancers which we are using, Cloud servers which are serving the Zipaboxes/Zipatiles can become overloaded in certain scenarios, and cause controllers to fail syncing, slower updating of sensor/actuator state etc. The reason for this is constant growth of number of controllers being used in our ecosystem, and we put big efforts in minimizing the glitch in server availability, and making the system more robust.


These issues might happen sporadically, but it's far from being an unusable and unstable system.


Switching to SmartThings, Vera, Fibaro or any other controller won't solve all your problems, as each of these systems has it's pros and cons.


Me personally would never give up on Zipato :)


Regards,

Branislav

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But this happens several times every single day. And the system response is very slow most of the time.

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I partially agree with Branislav, however it happens. Zipato should maximize the effort to reduce cloud dependency - for example simple schedulers that are time based should be running locally and not remote. Also astro based schedule should run locally and if there is no update on the weather station for a while, the system still should use the last saved settings.

This effort would help you to reduce the amount of users reporting various issues.

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Dear Zipato team, and dear co-users

beginning of this week i had my technician to (re...) include to my new zipatile/Zipabox all my devices because of a (possibly..) broken Zipabox.

he was not able to do this at a higher pace than 1/hour because of the cloud support being on/off most of the time preventing him from even selecting the proper network to select to.

it is now better ... but at 75€ / hour ... he is happy

nevertheless, Zipato as a reliable solution has unfortunately lost it's reputation in Luxemburg where electricians have tight connections... this is really too sad.

I do understand that the Zipato team prefer to use Zipato , it makes a lot of sense...

I do not give up because i see a lot of potential, unfortunately most of the features are not solid enough.


lets hope that he team will take it seriously and focus on the improvement we are all looking for


Christian

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Dear Zipato Team,


I agree with the comments from others. The status update of devices, even simple light switches is not satisfactory. I originally thought this could be also a Z-Wave issue - but it isn't. Sometimes the app on the Zipatile shows a different status than the app on the Mobile(even if connected to the same network) and often also the WEB GUI has a different status. Also virtual devices are sometimes not synchronized - and this is not Z-Wave!

Also the cloud is way to instable, which depending on the clouds mood make it very difficult to include devices or work on programming scenes. As there is no cloud status available you're never really shure if you as user are the issue, or if it's the cloud - what is most of the time the case.

I'm not sure if the installer of Christian is really happy - I don't have to pay because I install the devices myself. But if you're struggeling with device inclusion due to an instable system, not even 75Euro/hour compensate to the damage of your nerves and for sure not if you know that your customer is unhappy as well.

Zipato would be a great concept if it's running stable - but given the present stability issues I wouldn't install it for customers. Please Zipato Team, put your efforts on significantly improving the stability and remove bugs. This is way more important for the long term success of Zipato than new products and functions.


BR


Raffael

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I haven't gave up also because of the potential I see in the platform but I have been testing Zipabox and Zipatile for over a year and there are things that Zipato is really forgetting and regardless how many actual users ask for basic features Zipato just keeps focusing on adding more protocols and more devices to their platform and they are not paying attention to make this features work 100%, I have many tickets opened, some of them are months old and no feedback at all. These are a few examples;


1. "Keep Offline" configuration option does not work, regardless of this setting zipabox keeps restarting over and over again when server problems or internet problems. Above you can see how cloud dependancy is killing the plataform and frustrating ACTUAL customers.

2. BACKUP!!! I don't even know how many hours I have spent installing, adding, programing, experimenting with the devices and processors, I must admit that I like doing this, however if this is a bussiness it needs to be reliable and effective for all. The fact that there is STILL no backup option for ANYTHING regardless it is the most voted topic and requested feature.

3. Low battery alerts configurations are available in the system since I started on this, none of them work.

4. Alarm partitions need some tweeks to be fully functional, I noticed Zipato just added push notifications to it. However after having issues with fibaro door sensors and having zero issues with zipato mutisensors I decided to buy more zipato and replace fibaro door sensors, what is my surprise, with recent firmware updates Zipato multisensors stopped working (descriptor problems) with Zipato, no endpoints first, then after I got help I still cannot use them in my Alarm partition, unknown reason, regardless of the status of the sensor in device browser, alarm partition just keeps showing "not ready".

5. Also i still see more efforts from Zipato to hide topics that complain about the system than to inform users of server problems. To me, a company that does not tolerate critics is just very unprofessional, I underestand sometimes critics are not constructive, however, hidding information from customers just generates more grief and the fact that customers cannot trust the company.


Respectfuly.

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Dear Alberto

You are unfortunately true... last week i place and "strong" comment on why my case was closed and this post got deleted with a long long mail ... telling that i should be happy of a company "allowing" me to place 5 case opening PER DAY.


I would be so happy to not have 5 cased a day...

Let's hope Sebastian hears the ball


Christian

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You are not the only case, this post below was blocked too, I know and have the link because I commented before It got blocked, and these are not isolated incidents. In my opinion a respectful company does not blocks bad comments, they just proove people is not using their products correctly or admit the fault and correct it.

https://community.zipato.com/topic/zipato-stops-working-after-a-day-of-installation

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Hi Alberto, I never heard this post. Anyway the backup and restore is a basic one that should be uber everything else. I know one large company who is still testing the system and the bloke confirmed that he sees a big potential however tjey will not start to implement a system into stables where animals can be helped with home automation until the backup is completely working.

As to Sebastian will read this post or not, noone is sure. Im sure he will hear but je currently is too busy at CES to even open the community page and I cannot see him responding anyway. The code Zipato is using is perhaps too complex and unfortunately the system is currently too cloud dependent. The frist can be confirmed.by simply the fact that some of these topics are unbelievebly old and still not sorted. I also have a ticket open for one thing I would have never imagined would take so long and unsolvable for Zipato. I was the 1st guiney pig to purchase 5pc qubino PWM thermostats and as of now they are still not completely integrated (ticket open since April last year). Evidently they have too much going on as they must expand like hell (no wonder when in the last couple of months I have discovered a bunch of new names at zipato). As to the second one, I can imagine it was Sebastians vision to make cloud dependent system but it is now 5years down the line and still experience issues with this.

The fact that some of the new features take ages to include into zipato proves that the system is compley. By now we should be able to integrate a lot more that it is now, but if they are allways fixing bugs and other things no wonder.

Anyway, Zipato is Sebastians vision and company and as llong as he is satisfied with the system as it is and as fast as it grows nothing will change the way some of us would hoped.

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I posted a few things months ago. Some got deleted. I never were rude or told the untruth and so I was quite angry. Than I got banned here and also at their Facebook site. I guess this will happen with my new accout again.


However. I think they need to learn how to treat customers. And as I lost my "uservoice" I have desided to review Zipatile and Zipato at Amazon.


There they can not delete anything. I recommend to so the same as it seems that they do not learn of their mistakes and they are still deleting posts they just don't like.


For all german speaking guys here, you can find my review here:


https://www.amazon.de/review/RQHYPAW2QNTTJ/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B01BIWKGPM&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=80084031&store=diy

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Dear Chistoph, I am really amazed with the amount of time and effort which you have invested in order to destroy our business and reputation all over the Internet. Although we were constantly providing you with the free technical support, you have posted so many bad reviews in order to ruin our sales, that I have to congratulate to you. So congratulations!


However, please note that various Zipato controllers have been used by tens of thousands of people around the world, and we are trying to support them all to setup their home automation systems by using various devices, from various manufacturers, and based on various communication protocols. So even if you are not happy with Zipato, this doesn't mean there are no other users which are not happy with it, so I really hope you will finally find yourself some other system, and let us do our best in order to support our other customers.


We have learned a lot from customers like you, and we will certainly change our sales and support model in the very near future. So for this, thank you.

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Dear Sebastian.


Thank you for keeping my post. I really appeciate this. Honestly!

I spend so much time in this topic as I think you are worth it.


I guess you might be right that I am not the easiest customer.

However, I am happy for all your customers who are satisfied.


My main problem was never, that something did not work. I just felt personally attacked by deleting my posts without any comment. And if you have a look at the "Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs" you will see that "Love and Belonging Needs and also Esteem Needs" seems to be causing this behavior. Sorry for that. I know this is not the best behaviour, but I am, as you are, just a human beeing.


I also promised you, that my review get updated once everything got better. You are on a good way I guess.


By the way: The reason why I did not leave Zipato by now, is that I also think, as many other customers, that the system could be really great and has a high potential. Just a bit more transparency would make things so much easier.


Please don´t take my critism personally as it is not meant this way. I would love to get providential at the end.



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Christoph, I had the same problem as you ... Result after 2 weeks I returned the zipatile because not possible to make it work with the zipabox ... What a pity ... This box could really be at the top ...

Dear Branislav, I am aware that the other box also have problems, but the problems of the zipabox with the cloud are really at the top ... And I deplore it because I really like this box ... but like all customers here, I need a reliable solution.

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Maintenance now again??

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Application is currently down for maintenanceWe will be back in a couple of minutes. Thanks for your patience.


We have a lot of patience!!

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Dear all,


I am sorry for my late comment on this topic. Unfortunately, it seems it is covering much more than one issue at the moment so it is not even possible to properly comment on it anymore.


Anyway, I am very sorry for all delays which some of you have experienced while using our web application within a last few weeks. Recent system upgrades were including features like System Backup, Cluster, Automatic System Status Alarms (battery, offline, etc...) which were all requiring architectural changes on both servers and controllers. These upgrades have caused some overloading issues which are not occurring all the time and with all users, so it was difficult to find the "root cause" and fix them. However, we have found and fix most of them already, and we are preparing updated for both servers and controllers in order to avoid these issues in the future. But please note that Zipato system is very big, with hundreds of thousands of devices connected to it, and managing billions of transactions, so each update has to be prepared carefully, and we need some time to publish them. Hopefully, this new update will be published by the end of the week, so these issue will be gone.


Again, please take our apology if you were experiencing any "long delay" issues in the recent period. We are doing our best to avoid these issues asap.


Regards,

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My remark: Users want cloudless administration of their zipabox and zipato servers have to cope with user base transactions expansion, so it's all about shifting the cursor between what is managed locally and remotely :)

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Dear Sebastian,


the question on cloud dependancy woudl not arise if it would not be such a recurrent availability / performance issue. You know for sure what has to be done to overcome this in a scalabel way.


More important is the lack of transparency and communication on known issues , bugs and performance problems.

I would love to be able to look at a list of issues with their target date of solution instead of looking at my networks and try to find out what i did wrong... (that also happens !). Also being great on marketing is a must but selling non existent features is only a source of frustration for everyone.


do not give up doing great things but make them right.


Christian

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It looks like this is still an issue as of this morning (in the US).


I was away from my house and went to arm my security partition via the Web UI, and received the error "Failed to arm partition!" and the security partition still showing "Disarmed". I also checked the status of the partition on the Android App and it is also showing as "Disarmed".


I do have a rule created to email me whenever my security partition is armed/disarmed, and interestingly enough, I DID receive an email stating that it was Armed! I also have an IFTTT Maker applet that adds an entry to a spreadsheet, and that was also updated properly.


It is sad and disappointing that this issue continues, and that some of us are trying to secure our homes with the Zipato system. If I did not have the rules to notify me, I would be left with the impression that my alarm system is disarmed!


Hopefully the Zipato team can resolve the issue.

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Sync issues again...

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And delay is back again...

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And back again...

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I had delay experienced yesterday and I must wonder how it is possible. If zipatile is capable to run locally without internet connection (it is, all the touch inputs and local zwave network works) than how on earth can I experience some delayed action after touch events or battery operated remote control buttons with the lights. This is purely non-internet dependent.

I even checked to ensure I have no background apps running on my zipatile that may consume performance and everything is normal.

Big shame.

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I have this problem also this morning...

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I have the same problem. Also, some of my rules failed to trigger...

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+1

The same problem !!!

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I have the same problem. This morning I had problem to lock the door and now I can not turn of my lights.


// Karl

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Me to. Annoying when using the Zipato system as a home security system.


As I earlier has told the zipatosupport - customers expect that their systems have redundancy.

Or make the customer systems run offline from the server and let the box directly notify the user by 3G.

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Samedi problem

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Same issue... latency again and again !!!


Really nice in winter as thermostat do not change from night to confort program. Or reported temperature are not taking into account so radiators are heating and heating again....Thank you Zipato,

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Hi,


we are aware of this issue and we are working on resolving it right now.


Regards,

Dominik

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Hi,


we resolved the sync issue. If you are still having trouble with sync, please open a ticket.

Regards,

Dominik

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I think the delay/missing info in log is back again.


Several of my devices does not have the correct state.

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Same here. Here is what I am currently seeing as issues:


1) Long delays of 2-3 minutes in showing the current status of my devices in BOTH the Web UI and Android App. Delays are also visible in the updating of the Events log.


2) Missing log entries. I can see that log entries of known status changes are NOT available in the log.


It is sad and disappointing that we continue to have these delays/missing entries in the logs, especially when some of us are trying to use the Zipato system to secure our homes!

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Hi

Device state not working what so ever i would say.

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For me it has lasted since this morning. This box makes me sick! All the time to worry if everything works properly at home ... I exaggerate but almost ...;)

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Same for me, it has not worked since thismorning

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situations seems to be known to Zipato let's wait for them to fix

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It would be much better if every single user could decide (like with the controller itself) if we want to be in a beta or stable channel. It is always a surprice what does not work after each update.

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same problem 2-3 min delay when calling a scene.

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I'm not so sure that Zipato is aware of the issue. I just raised a High priority ticket, and this is the response that I received:

There are several reasons why this could happen, and you can check the following:

1) If your Zipato controller is Offline (green LED light blinking indication on the Zipabox).

2) If your Internet connection was slow for some reason at that moment, and this slowed down the interaction between Zipabox and Cloud Server. Please note that Zipato controller is a Cloud based device and all communication goes from you PC/Tablet/Phone to the Cloud Server and then back to your Zipabox, and the other way around.

3) If you have restrictions (e.g. ACL's...) on your home router that could influence communication between Zipato controller and Cloud Server.

4) Have you eventually tried to restart your Zipato controller via "reset" button on it and then see if this will fix/improve communication between Zipato controller and Cloud Server.

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same here.... :-((

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Dito...Ticket opened

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and no local login in the android app possible :-/ i cannot arm/disarm my house

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Same response...


In case you have not already tried everything :(

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Not likely that all of us have issues on our end... this must be on Zipatos end...


I wonder when all delay-issues will be fixed and there is a stable function...

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Again and again, also have another device sync problem:

Zipatile show the position of a "venetian" blind controller at 0% and the blinds are closed. The latest log on Zipatile however shows 20% and dates back at 13:00. However blinds closed at around 18:00. The web gui says 20% as well as the android app on the smart-phone. Very odd!

It's just not reliable in any means. Hope this will be solved one time.

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Sorry for the offtop... but did I just lose my money? I have bought zipatile yesterday. I am shocked by what I can read here.

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It´s not that bad ;-) The biggest drawbacks are the missing backup function and some restrictions without pro licence. Normaly the system runs quite stable (It´s the first time for month, that I have problems) Just keep in mind to start with simple rules and wait with new rules until the old ones proofed to be reliable. And feel free to ask questions if your rules don´t work from the beginning. The system has quite some potential but the documentation could/should be improved.....

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For me the delay is even worse this morning and now inputs from me are not handeled by the box.

In local mode I can turn devices on/off...


Anyone else experiense this right now?

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Light switches work quite fast - but the power measurement reporting on qubino 2relays takes minutes if not longer...

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For me too... long long delay...

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same here, delay of zwave reports is between 5 and 20 min since last night... this happens every now and then and is a known issue, just hope this will ever be fixed...

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Same problem with me. The status of all my devices seem to be frozen for ~5hrs now. Rules seem to work - at least most of them.

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My boys triggered the alarm, when arming on the way to school, because the looong delays.

AND it took 10 minutes for the calling service from Zipato to dial my cell.


This is not good enough Zipato.

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Lucky you... I tried to arm my alarm at 1048 local time, since it is in "arming", but not finishing... I guess it will be finally armed in the moment i come back home again, and then for sure i will keep neighbours awake as i cant disarm anymore and the siren will stay on forever...

Since 20 min now:

3784d12c4eacc48aea85d248a406c26521387d4db7e49c502eebc92405a7c593

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I spend hours and hours since yesterday to find out what's wrong.

Now I see it is not my fault, the system acts strange (device report not updated, no response, etc.). I hope Zipato will fix this soon.

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It must be a server issue. My web UI shows completely wrong states since yesterday (like it is not updated at all) and also I miss state reports for today.

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The issue is still present for me as well. My high priority ticket is providing NO answers either. Two consecutive updates with the same response:


"Yesterday we have some short delay with sync. If now everything work that means this delays cause all the problems.Please send feedback."


THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!

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Actualy its ok for me...

I hope it lasts...

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And no... Same problem... again... since yesterday morning !!!!!!!!


U N A C C E P T A B L E !!!

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Some of my devices seem to occasionally update their status on the browser, while the others are completely dead. I have one 433 MHz temperature probe outside and that seem to be one of the most sensitive, but also most informative. Today the reading has not updated since 5 am. Because this device is logging reading very rapidly it is actually simple to see the problematic time periods as flat lines on the graph. From the two screenshots (attached) one can see that both the frequency and duration of flat lines has increased within the few couple of days significantly. On January such breaks were rare and very short.

Edit: System did not upload the figure - tried again - now the figure is attached

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I also have trouble, Dashboard seems completly down for the moment. Just before i could not syncronize. Had delays all day.

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Dashboard is back up, but still cant syncronize.


EDIT: Could sync now, but still long delay on the status of the devices.

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wrong post - sorry

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I have also been experiencing issues with my alarm, taking loooong time to arm/disarm and failing to quick disarm. It has to be server issues, proving once again that regardless of "keep offline" option, zipabox is still very dependant on the cloud.

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Same issues here. Had 3 false alarms today and could not turn of the alarm (time out). I'm so glad that i don't use any sirenes because it would drive my neighbors crazy.


Zipato could you give us a update/what is going on.

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Same here. Was on alarm home and took me 15 minutes to disarm so I could exit my home without triggering the sirens. I was basically trapped in my own home. Unacceptable!

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Same issues. The box is regulary Off - line

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Same here. Unacceptable! :(

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Luckily my thernostat quit working in the on position, otherwise I would be in trouble with -5 degrees C outside.


My refridgerator reports going on and off ( i dont have any rules turning it off), luckily I have a rule that works and trigger the plugin to switch on each time it changes to off state.


I cant live with this situation and feel forced to look for other controllers

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So far I was happy with Zipato. Has anybody tried a different controller. What is your experience?

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Same problem. The solution isn't stable. Very disappointed of zipato solution


Please fix definitivly.

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I thought everything can work without cloud?

And where is the zipato support? :-((

Local Connection in Android App dont work...

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The have their heads in the clouds

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Please. Just do the system stable and ignore everything else

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Even though it is a good idea, unfortunatelly I'm afraid it isn't Zipato's focus right now...

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Well. Comment might only come when they close to solve it. Unless Sebastian will write to this post.

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Looks like there has been some improvement on this, a couple hours ago web control center was down due maintenance, after that I noticed my zipabox rebooted. Now I logged into web control center and was able to sync and sync rules without issues, the statuses seem updated on my phone and web control center, also it is faster than these past few days...

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Unfortunately we do have the issue with our servers currently:-(


Due to big number of recently published Cluster option, we got much bigger number of some specific requests server database, which is causing the server system to slow down after some time.

However, we are working on it intensively and we will resolve the issue tomorrow. Meanwhile we will keep an eye on them and do some quick fix whenever it gets slow.


In case of the current issue, servers are still connected to the box, just they don't provide the right information on time. So controllers are trying to synchronise messages with the cloud, but this last a long:-(


Please take our apology for the inconvenience.

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Thanks, Sebastian for the update. I think that is what most of us were looking for; an official statement from Zipato of an issue on the server side. The responses in the tickets that we opened hinted at problems on our end which just wasn't the case.


Hopefully we will see a return to a more stable system soon!

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Seems to be o.k. by now. THX

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THX, for the information Sebastian.


Seems to be ok for me too.

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Thanx Sebastian for the update!


My system is now ok, great!

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Double post.

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Thanks for the update Sebastian.

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Yes Sabastian, pleas inform users of the problems.


this will take a lot of stress and anger away.

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Sorry to say but delay is back again.


Now a delay of about 6 min.

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Same here, Delay is back

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same here again, and as well no response to the ticket i reopened yesterday... only asked for "what delay exactly" which I responded to with "exactly the same as last week"... i'm really getting tired of these issues... web gui also takes ages again to load...

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My ticket was closed with "no issue", and in fact it is working again now... the questions is for how long...

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My ticket was closed with "no issue", and in fact it is working again now... the questions is for how long...

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Here the same. Every month new problems ans tickets :-(

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Same here. Looking forward to see a definite solution on this issue!

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For me the same, Feedback to Web-Ui and App is delayed, even if the switch (e.g) is working in time.

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delay is back to 6 minutes again, reopened the ticket...

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Same here. Perhaps Sebastian can shed some insight into the problem (again) and let us know a timeline when this will be resolved?


Hopefully Sebastian can also provide some insight into a longer term solution to the problem. Based on responses in this thread, we are seeing issues roughly every 2 weeks. Is this really a volume problem, or are are we looking at a software issue that is causing server performance to degrade slowly over time?


Obviously, there could be a whole host of causes, but the frequency at which we see the problem seems to point to something other than volume?

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Well, time again for loooong delay, someone else with same problem?

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Yes... over and over and over again... this is starting to get very frustrating!

Delays, issues with rules...

I wonder when this system will be stable...

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Same here. Again !!!

And box restart with "keep offline"...

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Wow, it even takes ages to go through this post...and as you read through you realize that how many times people reported problems and back again...

I really hope Zipato will soon publish new firmware and fix server (minimize impact) so finally this system can be offered to customers without the feel that what if customer contacts you because the system is not working...

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I have an issue with Z-wave devices with 2 functions (double switches or roller shutters with venetian blind control - both Qubino).

One double switch sometimes does not switch-off (even if operated manually with the wall mount switch). It's always the same switch and I already replaced it, but it happened again this weekend.

The venetian blinds don't close or open (always one or two of the same position (totally 17pcs installed)) or a shutter does not completely open (always the same). The devices are all strongly meshed and its certainly not the remotest devices that have an issue.

This all happens always during times the Zipatile reacts slow and the status of the Z-wave devices is updated slowly. Strangely devices with only one function always worked fine (though this can be statistics as I have only a few single function device).

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Either they do not prioritise this. Or they are not capable to fix it. I am not sure what is worst.


I have had this problem since I bought the box a year ago and I have heard the same excuses from zipato all that time.


I think i finally had enough.

Homeseer sel are ordered and hopefully it works better.


For sure I at least know homeseer have the backup possibility we have been promised for months.

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Problem with the delay which has initially triggered this post has been solved long time ago. Now everyone who has any Z-wave networking issue is writing to this post and blames Zipato for it's problems.

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I did notice the delay was solved for a few days, now after upgrading my Zipabox to newer firmwares (to solve other issues) the delay is back. Sometimes is not that bad, sometimes is really bad. I don't think this is related to Z-wave network since my network hasn't changed during this time.

I have noticed delays on virtual meters, where the values are reset using rules and couple of minutes after they go back to the previous values. I even have a ticket opened for this for a few weeks now, support told me once the server problem is fixed this should go back to normal, I still experienced this issue yesterday afternoon.

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Sorry, Sebastian but this problem is not solved and has been going on for years. Last year a had a few months with a fast controller but the last few weeks it got worst.


And i don't believe it's Z-wave related because the delay happens when there is a new firmware (or the servers are not working fast).


I really believe in the Zipato products but you got to fix this problem asp because many users got these problems.

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Guys, this post was triggered by the issue with servers. Some of them were getting stuck and slowing down rest of them. This issue was visible in the log, and we have fixed it already.

If you press a button on the wall, and it takes long time for the light to go on, this is not anyhow related to servers. Complete process is executed by the controller. So there can be an issue with an overloaded controller or overloaded Z-wave network.


Now we don't know who is actually complaining about the issue with the local command execution, and who is having an issue with servers as most of comments by guys like this Dag are just useless. In order to understand what is really happening, we need an exact description of the delay, time and the controller serial number. If you can generate such an email, than we will check it out the issue as we usually do.

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I will create a separate ticket with all the information I can gather and will let you know the ID. Vedran B. is aware of my issues with Virtual Alarm and how I'm trying to achive my goals, it include the heavy usage of virtual meters, but we prioritize other issues I was having with Virtual Alarm and Zipato devices. To be honest is hard to believe to me that with the same devices in the same location, one day or part of the day my devices react fast and then are slow, most rules I have noticed sometimes take more time use somehow virtual devices. Syncronization is still not working from web app, I have to use API to do it, almost every time I sync (not rules) my zipabox reboots shortly afterwise. I realize I'm using a beta firmware, but also this have been implemented to fix issues with other devices that used to work with previous firmware, these delay was also noticable with last official firmware. I agree some comments are more due frustration and do not help the system to be better but there are real issues here (if it is not a server issue fine, we need to find out why it didn't happened before and now it does). I will appreciate your attention to the ticket I will create. To me, this delay issues started when Cluster was implemented, and haven't go back to where it was (very fast controllers) since then.


Thanks.

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Ok, I will keep looking on this one...

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Sebastian,


Looks like both were correct, after Darko suggestion I have loaded newest beta firmware to my Zipabox, it dramatically increased the speed of everything, it's like 5 times faster. I didn't write the email since looks like most functions are back to normal and some even look faster than ever, good job Zipato!!. Seems that the problem wasn't just the servers but some Zipabox firmwares, now everything looks way better, I will submit the ticket if goes back to turtle speed for some reason. The only issue I'm still experiencing is the Sync Failed, it works on API after two or three retries.

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Hello Sebastian.


Yes as usually. Nothing wrong with zipato.


Much better to blame the customer.


Good business!!!!

Just proves I made the right decision

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what are you still doing here?

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WOW i am impressed!!


1 denial

2 blame the customer.

3 Start to flame the customer


Just love it!!!


What is next step in your buisness strategy. Ban me?

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Sorry, Sebastian but this problem is not solved !

Typical when i experience the problems, people complain at the same time in this topic, and than again when it is over.....

That cant be a coincident!

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Yes, but the last time you were complaining few weeks ago. At that time we were still dealing with the server issue. Meanwhile we only had one or two short server restarts, which may cause a delay issue for a very few users at that moment (statistics). Anyway, we will keep an eye on this issue and wait for more info.

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Hello Sebastian.


You still denie there is a problem. (Or at least bagatilise it)


I have to say I love your business strategy. Denial and blame everyone else. Just love it!

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Hi all,


you might want to try the latest beta 1.2.15.


It is consuming less memory for storing (copies of) attribute values... But some rules might behave differently.

The changed behaviour occurs in rules like this:

  1. when <something>
  2. ...
  3. wait ...
  4. ...
  5. if <sensor ep>

With this beta sensor, meter, attribute and variables in last line will use the latest value instead of the value at the beginning of the execution of the rule.

It also makes REFRESH_ALL puzzle do effectively nothing.


That should prevent CPU hogging on Zipaboxes, which is one of the causes of delays you see.

There are also Zipatile app crash fixes included.

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Interesting.

I will try later today. But the history tells me it will be fine for a day or a week after upgrade. But then the issue return.


At least with this post you accept there is a problem with zipabox. That is a huge step for zipato. It is not possible to fix a issue, unless you admit there is a problem.

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That I can believe, maybe is not the servers as Sebastian says, but the Zipabox firmware. That was the only thing that changed for me. I actually like the fact that your rules run with the latest values, I have "JOIN" puzzles setup on pretty much every rule at the beginning so the rule can run again if values change. Is this firmware upgrade available through web control center or a ticket need to be opened?

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Yeah. I agree.

Updated the box through myzipato when I was at work.

Came home and pressed the button that launch "home" scene. A small delay if maybe 2 sec and then the scene launched.

It is several months since it was that good.

In the past also fw update have helped. But in a while it goes back to that dann delay.

Let us hope you are finally on track to get this fixed.

I think a couple of months last summer was the last time my zipabox worked without delays for more then a week or 2.

I have to test for some weeks and maybe I even can return the homeseer when it arrives

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Dag,


Is your scene include Phillips Hue bulbs or only z-wave devices or both? I will upgrade to this beta and see if my issues get better.

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Hey.

I have only z-wave modules, except one 433 thermometer..


But in the scene, only z-wave

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Have you tried to perform a network heal?

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Yes. But no change.

But it is still working fine after upgrade to last beta


Tried the beta yet?

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Just loaded it, I will have to get back to home so I can test, so far everything looks normal.

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Just loaded latest beta.

Everything looks ok. Quick response and so on.


Found one issue... my http request sending value stoped working.

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Yeah..

And status in app and widget are real quick!!

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What is your beta number? Mine is 1.2.15c

I have rule that sends attributes (weather info) as push message and it worked.

I dont have HPPT puzzle that is sending attribute or value only HTTP command and it also works.

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Mine is 1.2.15... tried to load new beta again and 1.2.15 is what I get...

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Is the sync problem also solved? I cannot sync my box without restart. After a while syncing is no longer possible. Even with API I never get a "true".

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To clarify:

fw 1.2.15c is for ZipaTile

fw 1.2.15 is for ZipaBox

firmware is the same for both controllers.

Regards,

D

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I have to say that so far this is one of the best firmwares I have seen on Zipabox, some functions like HTTP requests to Phillips Hue and from/to Zipatile are faster than ever, Z-wave network works fast as it used to and overall the stability seems great. You guys are going in the right direction, good job Zipato!! Sync issue is still present it works after two or three retries for me (From API).

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Sound really promising! (Syncing rules and settings without issues IS also important zipato. :-) )

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Dear All,


a great job done in this new beta 1.2.15/1.2.15c - it is really fast and without any noticeable lagging.


some checks still need to be done : fibaro luminance was reported at a constant 0 ...


Christian

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Implicit change of behaviour is fine with beta, I suggest to make it explicit via a trigger setting to not provoke mess in people rules.

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It seems to work well with the latest software 1.2.15, Good work Zipato. The only thing I also noticed is that Sonos does not work with the software, but I am convinced that Zipato solves the issue. :)

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Gentlemen,


This thread is reserved for delays and slow system problems.

PLEASE, do not post unrelated problems here as you are ruining the thread for other users which might have came here for some information. I understand that all of you have your own issues and want to express them publicly to see if you are the only one with that issue, but try to keep these forums sorted as they contain ideas, solutions and quality information for other users if they wish to try and help themselves even before they reach zipato support. If you have an issue which doesn't concern this thread, it means you have to open a new one.


Cheers,

V

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Vedran,

I agree with you on the fact that we should try to keep specific topics related to their purpose. Personally I have spent quite a few time redirecting members when there are duplicated posts due the lack of "tag" usage, however there a few things that Zipato needs to understand;

1. For many cases there is not enough documentation and the one available is scattered through diffent resources like manuals, web manuals, community knowledge base, Zipato TV, etc... even some reference is outdated. This is were this community is helping, advanced users spend time guiding others that either don't know were to look, do not understand how to do it or they look and the information they find is not accurate. Sometimes reading through topics help you realize how to approach an issue based on a different one and you cannot help but commenting and "branching" an issue.

2. Users do not have access to the information you guys have obviously. This topic is a very good example of it, Zipato had server issues which they fixed, then there was another completely separate issue related to Zipabox Firmware which caused slowlesness very similar to the server issue's syntoms. We do not have a way to know that it is not the same if everything what we see seems to point to that. Even support recommended me to wait until this issue (server) was solved to see if my specific issue persisted.

3. I agree that there are people who like to complain without a constructive critic. However I also understand that people buy Zipato products expecting the advertised functions, sometimes it is under development or even buggy. Also some users do not have the time, patience and even background knowledge/experience to debug some of their issues, they try to look for information and most time it is not helpful or they just cannot find it. They come here and try to get help (sometimes not in the best way) and then they implicitly are told that "they are stupid" or it is "user fault". To me this is something I still don't like, I try to help you guys as much as I can to avoid "newbies questions" on Zipato support, but telling your customers they are dumb just creates they get more frustated and mad and then they start venting these issues in any platform they can find as "revenge".

4. Sometimes, and I include myself on this practice. We know who the boss is, so, sometimes when we see Sebastian paying attention to one of the issues we comment or ask question about an unrelated topic to see if we can get an answer there since we haven't got an answer in the correct topic. Most of the time it does not work. That is why I raise so many support tickets, some of them just to get direct answers.

You guys are doing a great job and the system is improving, maybe not in the way most users would want, but it is getting there. Don't let inappropiate comments to get to you, this just make things worst. Respectfullly.

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So, this Support / CRM / Helpdesk / Forum / Issuelist software, whatever its called, is not working like you intended it to?

It's not the users fault. You don't treat it as a support system, then neither do we.

You set things to "Solved" "Known" when its not and so on.


Agreed, that in this Forum thread a "off topic!"comment is absolutely correct, and called for.


PS: Sorry for being off topic, again!


Best regards, Nicklas "Don't like the use of ("UseResponse") CRM as user forum." Larsson

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I'm still experiencing latency issues on my Zipabox. Too much time to update status or even perform commands. Lots of events lost throughout the day for not updating reports.

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There is an issue currently. A customer called me today and i checked back at my devices. Execution of commands is done, but the feedback to server is delayed.

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Allessandro, I experience the same today intermittently. Sometimes instant action on sensor event, at times latency up to 20 seconds. And also delayed status update in apps.

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Yes , I also have it back this evening.

Slow status, and slow reaction to input from wallswitch and so on.


But ok again now

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The devices responds on input from me or rules but the state doesn't update, had the problem since this evening.

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I also notice some delay on my zipabox execution, nothing mayor but was noticeable.

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Yep, delay in update of state is back again.

Devices responds on input but state in app is not updated.

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Same here. And again...

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Samedi for me

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I thought that the fault is with me. With Zipatile responds to all OK, delay on PC is great and does not show the correct status.

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It certainly is about time Zipato finds out what the problem is.


I do not care if it is server issue, firmware issue, or trying do to to much with to little hardware.


It is quite frustrating that the normal is that there is problems, and sometimes it works ok.

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I agree. Tired of this situation!!!

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I have ordered Homeseer... but I would be more happy if the Zipabox would work.

It is a hell of a job to set up everything in Homeseer, but if they are not capable to solve this, I have to migrate to Homeseer.

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Hi everyone


I cannot see any lag in actions ...


but state of devices are reported with delays of long long minutes creating erratic behaviour of my system...


good to have a fast system, but it shoudl not be at the cost of accuracy


do not lose hope...


Christian

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Hi!

Good to see that the thread is alive...thought it was only me having issues! :)

My issue is: since a week or so ago the mobile app no longer goes to local connection automatically when on my local wifi as it used to. (icon stays green...if I actively log off and log on locally I can get it to turn blue)

Since I'm stuck on remote connection, I have noticed the severe lag that I did not notice in local mode.

I use my zipabox as an alarm and for controlling lights and I find it a pain to have to log off and log in locally with username and password everytime i get home. (it used to work really good on fw 1.0.17.... :( )

So please fix your lag issues and see to it that the app changes seamless again between local and remote connection again as it used to do! :)

update: I armed the alarm this morning 7 hours ago, that event and others are still not visible remotely even though the alarm panel says Away....

Guess I will try the Beta later but it feels wrong to entrust the safety of my home to a Beta version.....

Regards, Erik

(zipabox 1.1.38, android app 4.1.3)

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Hello

I did exactly the same thing this morning with the alarm.

My system also has the delays in the mobile app (it takes like this for about two days), although the actions and the rules do run.

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Could it be that the IP devices can slow the box down.


I have several times deleted all the ipdevices in devicemanager..... but after a while every unit on the same (W)LAN is added as IP devices.... Cameras, NVR's, Tv boxe's, internetrouter, samsung tv...

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For me the only show up if i add an IP-Device. Remove them in the Device-Manager but this does not affect the Delay for me.

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Guys,


The delay issues are resolved in the latest beta firmware 1.2.15/16d respectively.

All of you who reported the lags again were running the firmware version 1.1.38.

Please, if you are experiencing these delays - first upgrade the controller to the latest beta, and if you still experience laggs, then open up a support ticket for us in order to resolve your case.


Cheers,

V

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I actually had beta 1.2.15 and still experienced delay in update of state. Response on device where quick.

I'll give it some more time, if it comes back I'll open a ticket.


Other then this happening the experience with 1.2.15 is very good!

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thanks! I'll try.

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Sounds super, i'll upgrade to beta straight away! When will it be upgraded to official version?

Edit: Did update, its superfast now. My sync is working, both devices and rules. I even think my issues with osram zigbee RGBW is solved. Good job zipato.....

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I already did and tested my tile. Web UI press light on, within 2sec the android app on phone is showing status and also consumption. Same if triggered via phone so it looks really good. Time will tell.

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It is really good go ahead !

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Delay is back again...

Device responds quickly but state of device is delayed.


A solution to store more data local instead of in cloud would be nice...

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Delay is better now...

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Yes. It started yesterday. Devices react but status not updated running beta 1.2.15


It seems to be better now

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Delay in update of state is back again...

Anyone else?

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Here too. Virtual sensors don´t react at all right now

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Yes at me the same state. Not all programming. Other values ​​in the PC and on the other Zipatile. Synchronization and takes 5 minutes.

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Yes here the same :-(

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Yep


Been fine for a while... but definitely back now.

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Same here With long delay

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confirmed...for me the same....

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any news?

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It went back to normal after a day or so at my place, but it would be nice if they can give us an update on what caused it.

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Delay ist Back :(

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Seems back indeed. Not only in updating status but also intermittent long delays in devices responding (up to 12 seconds). The issue comes and goes.....

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Yeah, it haas definetly been like that the whole weekend, mostly ok, but with some periods with long delay before device's respond.

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Yes. Same for me. Strange...

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Same .... 5-30 seconds lags

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Same .... 5-30 seconds lags

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I have been also experiencing intermitent lags.

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Alberto, with the zipatile or with the zipabox?

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Mostly with Zipabox but it is intermintent, my tile only sends commands to Zipabox which processes all rules and devices...

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At least zipabox zwave

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For me it is on the Zipatile and still there intermittently......

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Zipabox for me too

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Good afternoon.

I do not know if someone else noticed it, but apart from the delay to me something more curious happens to me.

This morning when leaving home connect the alarm like every day from the IOS application, depending on the application the alarm is activated, but HOOO my surprise when now, at noon I enter the web application and it says that the alarm is inactive. This is because of delay? It would be several hours. Or is this the alarm is active but the web application does not know? Attached images.

Greetings to all.

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I have tried again and it seems that it already works.

Was it momentary? What strange things.

Greetings.

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Some sort of delay is back.

Devices responds quickly on input from user but update of state is delayed/wrong.

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Delay is back for me as well. Comletely wrong states for shutters on both Zipatile and the Mobile App. Something is going on?

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Any News? Very annoying :-(

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Delay is back... just for me?

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I have same issue right now.

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The same Problems

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Also same Problems :(

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Same here... over and over and over agan...

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Yep... Been there on and off for å week here

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.. same, plus some ghost opening a roller shutter...

Spooky, is Zipatile preparing for Halloween?

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It's ok for me since 30 min

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And delay again...

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???

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over and over and over agan.....?????

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:-) over and over and over and over again WHAT?

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Device state not working....

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You were checking device state on API, Web application, iOS application or Android application. If you were trying on android or iOS application did you connect to controller directly or to cloud server. Which type of local controller do you have.

Currently we don't have any issues with servers, so we will need much more information about your issue in order to better understand what is your problem exactly.

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Device update us not working for switch light...doors Windows and blinds are working i have cloud connection

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Hier auch

Das Problem hab ich seit letzter Woche schon. Ticket hab ich auch schon eröffnet seit einer Woche. Aber bis auf eine Anfrage wie genau das Problem ist keine Antwort.

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Hi Sebastian. For me on Android remote connection the state does not update. I have zipatile 1st generation.

If for example i turn off light, i have to refresh in order to see the change. It feels like the android app has errors and needs newer version.

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Ich habe das Problem mit Android, Pc, ios

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I have delay today again...

Android app not updating state on sensors, wall plugs and more...

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Please open the ticket on support and explain exactly what is your problem. For example, if your APP is not updating status, than you certainly don't have issue with "delay".

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The app reports status but with long delay.

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This is only the case with Android app?

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Yes Android

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I'm not using ios and I have not checked the web application.

But in android there is a delay.


Not related to this delay:

In the android app there is also a delay when turn on/off devices - you have to "refresh" the app for the change to show. This is not the case when a rule triggers a change.

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Same here

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Same here

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Same here

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Same here... And again...

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Same here... Again :-(

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same here ... this is already going on too long !!!

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Is there someone experiencing this issue on the web application as well?

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Yes, web app and iOS, but it's ok since a few minutes. :-)

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i had that problem on web. Some devices were ok, some not. the history is also missing

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Same here, on the Zipatile, Web, iOS

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again, today? quibino switch is shown as ON (web, Android), but is OFF (and should be off). When I manually turn it OFF in web, it turns ON again (but there is no new record in state history). hmmm

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Same problem starting at 3.00 this morning , still problematik at noon

lags on Z-wave devices

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I have a long delay in update of state.

Anyone else ?

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No its okay here..

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I have the same Problems with my Danalock

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It's ok yet. Thank you

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again? no updates since yesterday

/AzOPx8IN0OZlAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC

today, the heating didn't start. So I did a reset. Rules seems to work now, but with delay. Values in history are not updated.

Happy New Year

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just count on lighting and scene ...long rules are not stable

process is too slow

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I experience exactly the same! I thought it was something I did because I was cleaning up and rearranging my config. My history stopped at about the same time as yours.

/B+xoIlnuhtMZAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC

Weird and annoying. But likely something with the servers rather than our Zipabox?

Happy New Year

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Hi, my History stopped yestarday 09:52 on all Devices!


9d69033e196662b7adc850d829622665


Happy New Year

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Same problem here !

Happy new year

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Same here!

So tired of this...

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I just opened a ticket. And now we wait...

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Same here...

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Me too. History of all devices sttopped 31 Dec 9.55h

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Same here also...

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Hi, we had problems with database and replication on the history database serving some of controllers.

The servers are dealing with the backlog now.

The database will catch up with the events in next few hours.


Sorry for the inconvenience .

Happy New Year

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Thanks for the update, my logs are now correctly updated with past events till around 09:00 in the morning of this day. Hopefully most recent and new events will follow shortly in the coming hours.

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I'm not sure how server database are impacting logs. My understanding that internet connection was needed only for configuration and that otherwise day to day execution of the rules of the zipabox is done without the need of an internet connection must be wrong. Can you clarify what is impacted when the internet connection is down? Thanks.

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The state of my roller shutters is wrong this morning (some showing 0% but they are open at 100%). This is on the latest Android Mobile APP(updated yesterday) on the phone as well as the web interface.

Also the mobile app is quite unresponsive. Restart of the Zipatile didn't solved the issue (running 1.3.9e).

Somebody else having this issue, or is it isolated?

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