Need to add 433 mhs Temp/Humidity sensor
Hello
I have 12pcs 433mhz Temperature Sensors connected to Tellstick NET, works perfectly with Tellstick on 433Mhz, but I am in the process of migrating to ZipaBox DUO, but how do I add these sensors to ZipaBox DUO??
This is the one:
http://www.clasohlson.com/se/Temperaturgivare-hygrometer/Pr361797000
SOME SENSOR DETAILS:
My sensor/transmitter units are bought at Clas Ohlson,
Extra sensors are available as 36-1797.
These products are manufactured by W.H. Mandolyn International Ltd.
The sensor unit has their product ID WT450H, receiver unit WS2015H.
All units marked as Esic brand.
The signal is FM encoded with clock cycle around 2000 µs
No level shift within the clock cycle translates to a logic 0
One level shift within the clock cycle translates to a logic 1
Each clock cycle begins with a level shift
My timing constants defined below are those observed by my program
+---+ +---+ +-------+ + high
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | |
+ +---+ +---+ +-------+ low
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ clock cycle
| 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | translates as
Each transmission is 36 bits long (i.e. 72 ms)
Data is transmitted in pure binary values, NOT BCD-coded.
Example transmission (House 1, Channel 1, RH 59 %, Temperature 23.5 °C)
110000010011001110110100100110011000
b00 - b03 (4 bits): Constant, 1100, probably preamble
b04 - b07 (4 bits): House code (here: 0001 = HC 1)
b08 - b09 (2 bits): Channel code - 1 (here 00 = CC 1)
b10 - b12 (3 bits): Constant, 110
b13 - b19 (7 bits): Relative humidity (here 0111011 = 59 %)
b20 - b34 (15 bits): Temperature (see below)
b35 - b35 (1 bit) : Parity (xor of all bits should give 0)
The temperature is transmitted as (temp + 50.0) * 128,
which equals (temp * 128) + 6400. Adding 50.0 °C makes
all values positive, an unsigned 15 bit integer where the
first 8 bits correspond to the whole part of the temperature
(here 01001001, decimal 73, substract 50 = 23).
Remaining 7 bits correspond to the fractional part.
To avoid floating point calculations I store the raw temperature value
as a signed integer in the variable esicTemp, then transform it to
actual temperature * 10 using "esicTemp = (esicTemp - 6400) * 10 / 128",
where 6400 is the added 50 times 128.
When reporting the temperature I simply print "esicTemp / 10" (integer division,
no fraction), followed by a decimal point and "esicTemp % 10" (remainder, which
equals first fractional decimal digit).
Summary of bit fields:
1100 0001 00 110 0111011 010010011001100 0
c1 hc cc c2 rh t p
c1, c2 = constant field 1 and 2
hc, cc = house code and channel code
rh, t = relative humidity, temperature
p = parity bit
Main decoding was done by Øyvind Kaurstad (http://personal.dynator.no/),
who reported about his work back in 2006 at
http://www.varmepumpsforum.com/vpforum/index.php?topic=3145.msg101023#msg101023
(Swedish forum, Øyvind writes in Norwegian).
On my request he let me share his findings (a spreadsheet analyzing signals
as captured by a digital oscilloscope), which made it quite easy for me to
write the actual code that decodes the wireless signal I receive.
I like this idea 
Impressive work!
I have two of those sensors as well. Zipato team, Svein-Egil and Øyvind just made your work a lot easier, don't you think? Coding this spec would be like a walk i in the park :)
Impressive work!
I have two of those sensors as well. Zipato team, Svein-Egil and Øyvind just made your work a lot easier, don't you think? Coding this spec would be like a walk i in the park :)
Hi all
I forgot to mention in my first post that these sensor finding/details are not mine, this detailed information is just cut and paste from Google search..:-))
As ClasOhlson in Scandinavia has started to sell Zipabox DUO, I would guess that there is many users considering moving from Tellstick and to Zipabox DUO due to the support of 433mhz, and I also guess that ClasOhlson has sold a huge number of these sensors due to the low price, It think it would be smart for Zipate to support the sensors
Zipato: Any comments on this??
Regard
Svein-Egil
Hi all
I forgot to mention in my first post that these sensor finding/details are not mine, this detailed information is just cut and paste from Google search..:-))
As ClasOhlson in Scandinavia has started to sell Zipabox DUO, I would guess that there is many users considering moving from Tellstick and to Zipabox DUO due to the support of 433mhz, and I also guess that ClasOhlson has sold a huge number of these sensors due to the low price, It think it would be smart for Zipate to support the sensors
Zipato: Any comments on this??
Regard
Svein-Egil
Hi Domagoj
Thanks for your answer.
I can send you guys one of these sensors so you can implement support for it in ZipaBox DUO, just send med the full address and a name I can mark the envelope with
Regards
Svein-Egil
Hi Domagoj
Thanks for your answer.
I can send you guys one of these sensors so you can implement support for it in ZipaBox DUO, just send med the full address and a name I can mark the envelope with
Regards
Svein-Egil
Any news on this? I have also a couple of these. Would be nice if they worked.
Any news on this? I have also a couple of these. Would be nice if they worked.
I would also love to have support for this sensor.
I would also love to have support for this sensor.
Count me in. Need support for these ones:)
Count me in. Need support for these ones:)
I also want added support for these!
I also want added support for these!
me too
me too
It would be very nice if we get the support for this device. I do have 4 of these in my Tellstick config that I would like to move.
It would be very nice if we get the support for this device. I do have 4 of these in my Tellstick config that I would like to move.
Yes, Please support. I have 5 of these.
Yes, Please support. I have 5 of these.
I have 6 of these, if there is any SDK I can help with programming support for these.
I have 6 of these, if there is any SDK I can help with programming support for these.
I have 2 of these, so it would be great if it worked with these.
I have 2 of these, so it would be great if it worked with these.
I have now better 433Mhz transmitter(ASK) to my WT450h and no changes to any settings. Everything works just like with the orginal 433Mhz transmitter.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-lot-ASK-RF-module-433mhz-transmitter-module/32238392004.html
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-Spring-Antenna-433MHz-Antenna-Helical-for-Arduino-Remote-Control-Network-Accessories/2046888377.html
I have now better 433Mhz transmitter(ASK) to my WT450h and no changes to any settings. Everything works just like with the orginal 433Mhz transmitter.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-lot-ASK-RF-module-433mhz-transmitter-module/32238392004.html
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-Spring-Antenna-433MHz-Antenna-Helical-for-Arduino-Remote-Control-Network-Accessories/2046888377.html
Is there any temp/hum sensors similar to the 433 ones but for z-wave with zipato support?
Is there any temp/hum sensors similar to the 433 ones but for z-wave with zipato support?
Is there any progress on the temp/hum sensors from Clas Ohlson or have they been rejected?
http://www.clasohlson.com/se/Temperaturgivare-hygrometer/Pr361797000
Is there any progress on the temp/hum sensors from Clas Ohlson or have they been rejected?
http://www.clasohlson.com/se/Temperaturgivare-hygrometer/Pr361797000
These sensors are probably the the most common wireless sensors in Scandinavian homes, since they have been sold by Clas Ohlson in Sweden, Norway and Finland (~ 20 million people) for years. Hence a lot of users would be very happy if there is some way Zipato can manage to support it, despite the FM modulation (or is it impossible without changing hw?)
These sensors are probably the the most common wireless sensors in Scandinavian homes, since they have been sold by Clas Ohlson in Sweden, Norway and Finland (~ 20 million people) for years. Hence a lot of users would be very happy if there is some way Zipato can manage to support it, despite the FM modulation (or is it impossible without changing hw?)
I just bought one to do some tests. Cause its a cheap one and as you alla say its one of the most common "readers" in scandinavian homes.
I just bought one to do some tests. Cause its a cheap one and as you alla say its one of the most common "readers" in scandinavian homes.
I am also hoping this sensors can work with zipato, and I have founde more Then one thread asking this.
Is there any other cheap sensors possible to use? I want to read tempratur several places outside.
I am also hoping this sensors can work with zipato, and I have founde more Then one thread asking this.
Is there any other cheap sensors possible to use? I want to read tempratur several places outside.
Personally, I like the Oregon sensors. They cost a bit more, but seem to be fairly accurate. They report with 0.1 centigrades resolution. All my Z-wave sensors report with a 1 degree resolution, which imho is not good enough.
I now have a mix of six THN132N and THN132GNs. I use som of them outdoors, but sheltered from rain, I do not think they would last long exposed, though
Personally, I like the Oregon sensors. They cost a bit more, but seem to be fairly accurate. They report with 0.1 centigrades resolution. All my Z-wave sensors report with a 1 degree resolution, which imho is not good enough.
I now have a mix of six THN132N and THN132GNs. I use som of them outdoors, but sheltered from rain, I do not think they would last long exposed, though
Dear,
We have ordered a Temperature and Humidity sensor from Clas Ohlsson. Our team will test them and make support for them as soon as we get them from our supplier.
Best regards,
Pero
Dear,
We have ordered a Temperature and Humidity sensor from Clas Ohlsson. Our team will test them and make support for them as soon as we get them from our supplier.
Best regards,
Pero
I'm looking forward to having this device added. Thank you very much!
I'm looking forward to having this device added. Thank you very much!
I have now problem to add the Oregon THGR122NR added as NX after it had stopped reporting. Says "no endpoints My second is reporting without a problem.
I have now problem to add the Oregon THGR122NR added as NX after it had stopped reporting. Says "no endpoints My second is reporting without a problem.
Have you tried to upgrade to latest beta firmware release?
Have you tried to upgrade to latest beta firmware release?
It worked by going via the old dashboard. But it stopped reporting again.
I will try to update
It worked by going via the old dashboard. But it stopped reporting again.
I will try to update
Dear All,
We have received the Temp/Humidity sensor from Clas Ohlson.
Our team will do their best to enable support for this device.
Best regards,
Pero
Dear All,
We have received the Temp/Humidity sensor from Clas Ohlson.
Our team will do their best to enable support for this device.
Best regards,
Pero
Looking forward to the results.
Looking forward to the results.
I hope we could get it to work, I hade a topic to add that ESIC WT450H some monthes ago but still haven't any news...
I hope we could get it to work, I hade a topic to add that ESIC WT450H some monthes ago but still haven't any news...
Pero Zovkić - Have you any update for us?
Pero Zovkić - Have you any update for us?
Dear All,
I apologize on longer wait to my response.
Yes, i have good news. Our team has resolved this case.
Support for this device will be released with the new beta version of firmware.
However, if anyone of You would like to have support before we release new firmware just open a ticket on our support site. (be sure to leave Serial number)
Best regards,
Pero Zovkic
Dear All,
I apologize on longer wait to my response.
Yes, i have good news. Our team has resolved this case.
Support for this device will be released with the new beta version of firmware.
However, if anyone of You would like to have support before we release new firmware just open a ticket on our support site. (be sure to leave Serial number)
Best regards,
Pero Zovkic
I have added it to my Zipabox and awaits the first readings.. Will keep you tuned :P
I have added it to my Zipabox and awaits the first readings.. Will keep you tuned :P
Roger,
Did you get any results?
Roger,
Did you get any results?
I added the Esic Sensor just before my last post.
And the first results came like 30 min ago. See the attached pictures.
Will keep you guys & girls posted.
I added the Esic Sensor just before my last post.
And the first results came like 30 min ago. See the attached pictures.
Will keep you guys & girls posted.
Under what network do you add it?
zipato have added the fix to my box, but I can't find where to add it :-(
Under what network do you add it?
zipato have added the fix to my box, but I can't find where to add it :-(
Yes fpund it under cotech, and it joined...... without doing anything with the thermometer first..
Dag
Yes fpund it under cotech, and it joined...... without doing anything with the thermometer first..
Dag
Mine doesn't want to get added, I try with different frequences but nothing helps, Zipato doesn't see it :(
Mine doesn't want to get added, I try with different frequences but nothing helps, Zipato doesn't see it :(
I have successfully joined 2 sensors some hours ago, but they only report silly values..
Dag
I have successfully joined 2 sensors some hours ago, but they only report silly values..
Dag
While I was implementing this protocol, I had a lot of signal interference with other 433 devices and I suppose that led me to false conclusion that it works fine, but I guess it was just a luck. You people have different or no interference and I suppose that is why the messages are decoded wrongly or not at all, so you can't include or get silly values. It is either that or my info about protocol are incorrect. Sorry for that, I will try to fix it next week.
BTW this protocol is a problematic one to implement because the messages have no preamble and have various number of bits, so it is very hard to distinguish its messages from 433 transmitters of other protocols.
While I was implementing this protocol, I had a lot of signal interference with other 433 devices and I suppose that led me to false conclusion that it works fine, but I guess it was just a luck. You people have different or no interference and I suppose that is why the messages are decoded wrongly or not at all, so you can't include or get silly values. It is either that or my info about protocol are incorrect. Sorry for that, I will try to fix it next week.
BTW this protocol is a problematic one to implement because the messages have no preamble and have various number of bits, so it is very hard to distinguish its messages from 433 transmitters of other protocols.
Anyone else here having problems with adding this sensor? I have upgraded my Zipabox to latest beta version (0.9.999.8q) and tried to press SET button on temp sensor several times. Also tried to pull out batteries.
Anyone that can give me a description of how to include this?
Thanks!
Anyone else here having problems with adding this sensor? I have upgraded my Zipabox to latest beta version (0.9.999.8q) and tried to press SET button on temp sensor several times. Also tried to pull out batteries.
Anyone that can give me a description of how to include this?
Thanks!
I asked Zipato to enable my box to add those devices over a week ago, but support is really slow. You all had to contact support before you could add the devices, or am i waiting for nothing? Becuse i still cant add my devices.
I asked Zipato to enable my box to add those devices over a week ago, but support is really slow. You all had to contact support before you could add the devices, or am i waiting for nothing? Becuse i still cant add my devices.
New beta is released and you should try to upgrade. I think it will be fine then.
New beta is released and you should try to upgrade. I think it will be fine then.
Which Beta is that Zeljko?
Which Beta is that Zeljko?
0.9.999.8x4
0.9.999.8x4
The ESIC sensor seems to work fine now. No more crazy readings and it seems to have better range.
Well done!
(Just on thing: In the event list, the temp values have 6 digits after the decimal sign. 1/millionth of a degree centigrades resolution. Impressive accuracy :) )
The ESIC sensor seems to work fine now. No more crazy readings and it seems to have better range.
Well done!
(Just on thing: In the event list, the temp values have 6 digits after the decimal sign. 1/millionth of a degree centigrades resolution. Impressive accuracy :) )
Just one more thing. How do I set my sensors into the inclusion mode for connection? I have inserted the batteries during the joining process but that didn't work.
Just one more thing. How do I set my sensors into the inclusion mode for connection? I have inserted the batteries during the joining process but that didn't work.
I tried to add one and it succeeded, however it did not receive any values. I there for deleated it and now trying to add it again. However inclution fails and dont find anything on any channel or house number i try.
Its like it still think it exist and refuses to add the same serial number again
I tried to add one and it succeeded, however it did not receive any values. I there for deleated it and now trying to add it again. However inclution fails and dont find anything on any channel or house number i try.
Its like it still think it exist and refuses to add the same serial number again
When you delete a 433 MHz device, you must sync with the controller. Only then the device is really deleted on the box.
Also, do not try to change channel when discovery is already on. You choose the channel you prefer before you start the join procedure. When you pick the channel, let the device in peace for a few minutes. Then you can start inclusion, you can trigger the message sending by pressing the channel button, but as I said do not actually change the channel while inclusion is already on
Also, you need to have the latest .8x4 firmware on your box
When you delete a 433 MHz device, you must sync with the controller. Only then the device is really deleted on the box.
Also, do not try to change channel when discovery is already on. You choose the channel you prefer before you start the join procedure. When you pick the channel, let the device in peace for a few minutes. Then you can start inclusion, you can trigger the message sending by pressing the channel button, but as I said do not actually change the channel while inclusion is already on
Also, you need to have the latest .8x4 firmware on your box
After sync and reboot I finally was able to get it to join. However the first read event didn't show up until the day after! I get events but it's hours between. What is the problem?
I have nine Oregon and they work just fine.
After sync and reboot I finally was able to get it to join. However the first read event didn't show up until the day after! I get events but it's hours between. What is the problem?
I have nine Oregon and they work just fine.
Hello I also bought some of theese today. the first worked fine including, and give fine readings. have been working now for some hours.
The i thought i might ad another, but it wont include.
I have been trying this.
Selected another house number and and chanel, let it sit for a couple of minutes before pressing the chanel button after getting zipato in inclusion mode, wont find it
Also tried remoing the batteries and selecting house and chanel number no luck
I have alse been tying to hold the chanel button while zipato is in inclusion mode.
Also tryed to reboot the zipato and offcourse synching the zipato..
Have anyone succsessfully added several of theese ?
Anyone have a receipt that works??
Hello I also bought some of theese today. the first worked fine including, and give fine readings. have been working now for some hours.
The i thought i might ad another, but it wont include.
I have been trying this.
Selected another house number and and chanel, let it sit for a couple of minutes before pressing the chanel button after getting zipato in inclusion mode, wont find it
Also tried remoing the batteries and selecting house and chanel number no luck
I have alse been tying to hold the chanel button while zipato is in inclusion mode.
Also tryed to reboot the zipato and offcourse synching the zipato..
Have anyone succsessfully added several of theese ?
Anyone have a receipt that works??
What is the current status for supporting the Mandolyn temp/humidity sensor from Clas Ohlson? I am running version 1.0.17 and cannot find such a device under Cotech?
What is the current status for supporting the Mandolyn temp/humidity sensor from Clas Ohlson? I am running version 1.0.17 and cannot find such a device under Cotech?
The device is under ESIC brand. However, if you have a device that has older serial number, you might have problems adding it since there is some difference in protocol itself
The device is under ESIC brand. However, if you have a device that has older serial number, you might have problems adding it since there is some difference in protocol itself
Hi, I also have an ESIC with serial 151295474. It is hard to add (works on arbitrary house codes and channels) but gets errors like "failed to rename device". Best house code(channel seems to be H01 C1.... ny fix to this? I am getting good help from zipato support though, but no fix yet.
Hi, I also have an ESIC with serial 151295474. It is hard to add (works on arbitrary house codes and channels) but gets errors like "failed to rename device". Best house code(channel seems to be H01 C1.... ny fix to this? I am getting good help from zipato support though, but no fix yet.
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