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Attempting to connect zones from a Honeywell Vista Alarm panel to a security module.
In the attached image, the two zones outlined in red (15 and 16 [in blue ink], connected to three posts #18,19.20 are motion sensors. Posts 18 and 20 each have two wires, and 19 appears to be shared by both having 4 wires.
Can someone tell me how I would connect these two motion sensor zones to two zones in the Security Module and what configuration setting (SEOL, DEOL) would be used in the Zipato device manager?
I tried connecting the two wires from post 20 (HI side) and all 3 settings in Zipato (Closed, SEOL, DEOL) but it does not receive events.
Any input would be appreciated.
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I am not sure what you are trying to do.
If I am reading it right, you are connecting wires from the contacts (18/19/20) in the alarm panel, directly to the inputs on the zipato security module?
This won't work as the contacts on the alrm panel, as well as the contacts on the zipato are "inputs". So you need to connect a motion sensor to either.
The contacts looks like they are normally open loops, so when the motion sensor detects motion, it will close the loop and this will trigger an alarm. So it is not these contacts that switch, it is the motion sensor, and the contacts just detect either open or closed. So if you put a wire between the alarm panel contatcs and the Zipato contacts, nothing happens.
I am not sure what you are trying to do.
If I am reading it right, you are connecting wires from the contacts (18/19/20) in the alarm panel, directly to the inputs on the zipato security module?
This won't work as the contacts on the alrm panel, as well as the contacts on the zipato are "inputs". So you need to connect a motion sensor to either.
The contacts looks like they are normally open loops, so when the motion sensor detects motion, it will close the loop and this will trigger an alarm. So it is not these contacts that switch, it is the motion sensor, and the contacts just detect either open or closed. So if you put a wire between the alarm panel contatcs and the Zipato contacts, nothing happens.
The wires that are connected to 18,19 and 20 are for the existing two motion sensor zones. 18 has wires from sensor1, 20 from sensor2 and 19 has wires from both. 18 and 20 are marked as HI and 19 as LO.
As for what I want to do - wire the sensors into the Security Module.
The wires that are connected to 18,19 and 20 are for the existing two motion sensor zones. 18 has wires from sensor1, 20 from sensor2 and 19 has wires from both. 18 and 20 are marked as HI and 19 as LO.
As for what I want to do - wire the sensors into the Security Module.
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when you look at the security module, it shows Com, 1, 2, 3, Com, 4, 5, 6. This means it has 6 ports. So you can connect your motion sensors like this:
put both wires from contact 19 in the first com, and then second wire from 18 into 1 and wire from 19 into 2.
Then set the contatcs on the security module to single end of line resistor. This is assuming these motion sensors are normally open. Best is to get a multimeter and measure on the two wires whether the contact is open or closed. If closed, then set it accordingly.
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when you look at the security module, it shows Com, 1, 2, 3, Com, 4, 5, 6. This means it has 6 ports. So you can connect your motion sensors like this:
put both wires from contact 19 in the first com, and then second wire from 18 into 1 and wire from 19 into 2.
Then set the contatcs on the security module to single end of line resistor. This is assuming these motion sensors are normally open. Best is to get a multimeter and measure on the two wires whether the contact is open or closed. If closed, then set it accordingly.
Thank you for the input. The labels on the device are IN+, IN-, Z1, Z2, Z3, COM, Z4, Z5, Z6, COM
I connected Z1 to 18, Z2 to 20 and the first COM (under Z3) to 19 - but no events are raised, SEOL or Closed.
Any other suggestions?
Thank you for the input. The labels on the device are IN+, IN-, Z1, Z2, Z3, COM, Z4, Z5, Z6, COM
I connected Z1 to 18, Z2 to 20 and the first COM (under Z3) to 19 - but no events are raised, SEOL or Closed.
Any other suggestions?
I would check first whether the motion sensors are working. If you have a multi-meter put it on continuity and your probes on both wires.
If no activity, and you create motion, it then should show activity means - Normally open system.
If you have activity, and then create motion and activity stops means - Normally closed system.
If after creating motion, there is no change on the mult-meter, then those motion sensors are not working.
Set the ports on the Zipato likewise, and then I suggest to totally power down the system, and power up again. This should work.
I would check first whether the motion sensors are working. If you have a multi-meter put it on continuity and your probes on both wires.
If no activity, and you create motion, it then should show activity means - Normally open system.
If you have activity, and then create motion and activity stops means - Normally closed system.
If after creating motion, there is no change on the mult-meter, then those motion sensors are not working.
Set the ports on the Zipato likewise, and then I suggest to totally power down the system, and power up again. This should work.
Thank you! That helped me identify the issue and confirmed it is a closed system/device.
The motion sensors do work, but where they are wired into the existing alarm panel there is a small resistor in-line prior to the panel connection. I was connecting my wire to the Zipato on the panel post.
Once I connected directly to the sensor wire vs the post on the other side of the resistor, it worked!
I know little about this panel and nothing about the need for the resistor, but they work now both with the existing system and the Zipato.
Now for the door contacts and glass break detectors.
Thank you again for your help.
Thank you! That helped me identify the issue and confirmed it is a closed system/device.
The motion sensors do work, but where they are wired into the existing alarm panel there is a small resistor in-line prior to the panel connection. I was connecting my wire to the Zipato on the panel post.
Once I connected directly to the sensor wire vs the post on the other side of the resistor, it worked!
I know little about this panel and nothing about the need for the resistor, but they work now both with the existing system and the Zipato.
Now for the door contacts and glass break detectors.
Thank you again for your help.
For a normally closed system, those resistors are not really needed. They are for extra security in case of short circuit of the wires or broken wires. As when using a normally open system, if someone cuts the wire, no alarm would go off as the loop is still open :-) So with a resistor the system knows how much resistance there should be, and if this changes, raises the alarm.
same with normally closed, if someone cuts the wire, then an alarm will go, but if wires are short circuited, the loop is closed so no alarm.
Glad to hear it works!
For a normally closed system, those resistors are not really needed. They are for extra security in case of short circuit of the wires or broken wires. As when using a normally open system, if someone cuts the wire, no alarm would go off as the loop is still open :-) So with a resistor the system knows how much resistance there should be, and if this changes, raises the alarm.
same with normally closed, if someone cuts the wire, then an alarm will go, but if wires are short circuited, the loop is closed so no alarm.
Glad to hear it works!
regarding glass break and door contacts, they will work in the same way as those motion sensors, just a contact that either opens or closes. :-)
regarding glass break and door contacts, they will work in the same way as those motion sensors, just a contact that either opens or closes. :-)
Thanks I have them working - since I have many more existing sensors/contacts than the 6 zones on the module, is there a method to join/wire multiple into one zone? (vs adding additional security modules) I tried wiring all of the glass break detectors into one zone, but only one will trigger the zone. I'm guessing joining the non-COM wires together creates a pararllel circuit and prevents them from detecting the drop?
Also, do you know why they have two COM connections? I originally thought perhaps Z1-3 was served by one and z4-6 the other, but that does not appear to be the case as all 6 will work with only one COM connection wired on the module.
Thanks I have them working - since I have many more existing sensors/contacts than the 6 zones on the module, is there a method to join/wire multiple into one zone? (vs adding additional security modules) I tried wiring all of the glass break detectors into one zone, but only one will trigger the zone. I'm guessing joining the non-COM wires together creates a pararllel circuit and prevents them from detecting the drop?
Also, do you know why they have two COM connections? I originally thought perhaps Z1-3 was served by one and z4-6 the other, but that does not appear to be the case as all 6 will work with only one COM connection wired on the module.
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