Zwave Learn Mode - NWI VS Classic learn mode

Hi Alberto, This is a thing that we still did not receive answer from Zipato. These ioptions should be chosen when someone wants to include a secondary controller (like the Aeon USB stick). I have no idea which one to chose as I have not received a message from Zipato.

The best way would be if someone has a usb stick and tries with an existing small zipato network to include the usb stick as classic mode.

I will open a ticket and try it out. Now that cluster capabilities and architecture has been revealed I don't think it's the best solution for me (or anyone with multiple controllers in a house with only 1 security partition).

I have two dumb zipatiles at home just sitting there used as graphic interphase to my zipabox with handles all the load of devices. I'm going to try first the classic and then NWI with both zipatiles and see what happens, hoping I can notice something.

Do you think this has anything to do with SUC (Static Update Controller) and SIS (Static ID Server) modes of the zwave controllers?

Check this text I have found in a Z-wave manual;

"From the primary controller users point of view including a controller is

similar to including a normal slave device. The only difference occurs

behind the scene. After inclusion the primary controller will pass his

routing table to the new secondary controller if he recognize that the

new device is a controller as well. The process of including a

secondary controller and handing over the routing table is referred to

as replication.

While the primary controller is turned into inclusion mode, the

secondary controller needs to be turned into a special mode as well

which is referred to as Learn mode.

Only in Lean Mode a controller is able to replace his own Home ID by

a new Home ID. Typically there is a special button or a sequence of

keystrokes to turn a controller into the learn mode. Additionally the

learn mode will time out quickly to protect the controller from

unintentionally loosing his own Home ID and becoming part of a

different network."

This is surely something to do with it.

I have a feeling that the nwi mode is when you want the actual zipato to become a secondary controller and the static when it is to remain main controller.

Check this out, I've got some info from zipato. Classic Learn mode includes devices in direct range of the controller, NWI (Network Wide Inclusion) can include devices to the controller which are not in direct range of it but in direct range of NWI capable slaves.

I guess I will give it a try with my two zipatiles and a few extra devices I've got.

yes the NWI is for newer series 5 chipsets. They have the ability to broadcast in full power, while the older devices, and some battery devices only broadcast when including into a network, in low power. This was initially designed for a more secure inclusion process, meaning you had to be within 3 feet of the controller. But as security features have increased with home controller id and device id and encrypted keys, this does not need to be done in low power mode only.

Ok,but wasn't the initial idea to include a secondary controller not nodes. How does it relate to it?