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Supported wall controller???

Jarle Sjøthun shared this question 11 years ago
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Hello,

I just bought the zipabox because the rule creator looked and is very easy to use and are working great! -very gooood! I was therefore very surprised when I find out that zipabox not currently yet support any wireless wall controllers?! Is this right??


I it is right - I assume most people use zipabox for controlling lights in the house, and then wall controllers is "a must"! We don't need several types of wall controllers in the start, but one should be supported... My suggestion is z-wave.me wall controller that runs on batteries and can be placed anywhere around the house with ease.


Thanx for answer!

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Tried something with the Duwi 05431. Works well ... for a week ... after which the devices batteries are completely exhausted. Guess that zipabox is exhausting the device with uncontrolled wake-up or retry mechansisms. A battery-controlled wall switch is a rather basic thing that should work ! I installed a Click-on-click-off device which now runs for over a year without changing any batteries. If they can do it, Zipato must be able to do it as well.

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You have a wall controller from some company which does not provide any support for it, and this controller is exhausting the batteries too fast. So your conclusion is that Zipabox is responsible for it?!? Also, to confirm your theory, you installed another devices which is based on different protocol, different frequency (433Mhz) and of course, built by another (existing) manufacturer?!?!


Did you ever consider to call that "DUWI" company and ask them why the battery is exhausted???

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Is the Benext tag reader now fully supported with the new fw 0.9.98?

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Benext is not a manufacturer. I don't know what they are doing with the keypad from WINTOP. But wintop RFID is fully supported and you can use it for arming/disarming and attach rules to it.

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Great! thanks

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Sebastian Popovic wrote:

You have a wall controller from some company which does not provide any support for it, and this controller is exhausting the batteries too fast. So your conclusion is that Zipabox is responsible for it?!? Also, to confirm your theory, you installed another devices which is based on different protocol, different frequency (433Mhz) and of course, built by another (existing) manufacturer?!?!


Did you ever consider to call that "DUWI" company and ask them why the battery is exhausted???

OK, you deny ... I will prove my theory by linking the DUWI device directly with the FIBARO relais it needs to operate and we'll see how long the batteries last. In the mean time, I'll turn the question around: "Does Zipato support ANY battery operated wall controller besides the Frostdale device documented on your website which can't be found anywhere and for which you link to an unexisting web address http://www.frostdale.com/brochure/201012Switch.pdf"

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So, just created a separate little network with 2 DUWI 05431 controlling one FIBARO FGS221 - v2.1. I can already see that the reaction time is two or three times as fast as with the ZIPABOX controlling. The hypothesis on retransmission mechanisms consuming battery power still stands. Let's see now how long the battery will last. Sorry for asking support. The screenshot in attach clearly shows (right corner below) that ZIPATO is supporting at least the DUWI 05460. Again, if you have another battery operated wall switch to recommend, let us know...

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Gerd Bogaerts wrote:

So, just created a separate little network with 2 DUWI 05431 controlling one FIBARO FGS221 - v2.1. I can already see that the reaction time is two or three times as fast as with the ZIPABOX controlling. The hypothesis on retransmission mechanisms consuming battery power still stands. Let's see now how long the battery will last. Sorry for asking support. The screenshot in attach clearly shows (right corner below) that ZIPATO is supporting at least the DUWI 05460. Again, if you have another battery operated wall switch to recommend, let us know...
Try TKB and Wintop. If you can't find them, we can sell them directly to you.


As for the communication between the device and the controller, there are some default settings. Check the documentation from the device to see how to setup WAKE UP interval if is possible. Use the configuration tab within a device manager and send the configuration parameters to the device in order to set it up even if it is not supported.


Those two should be supported, and if you will have some problems, contact support.

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@Sebastian; I looked for the TKB and WINTOP devices, but couldn't find any wall controllers. They have switches (in-wall), with switch panels. But the question here is flat, surface mountable controllers like the Z-Wave.Me ones (ZME_WCD1 for example).


For us they are important for several reasons;

  • flat surface mountable; this means we can place them without any construction work in a customers existing home. For new homes we can save a lot of money by not having to create all the in-wall boxes and cabeling for the switches, we can just hand the customer a box of switches, and they can decide where to put them.
  • Replace existing equipment; by replacing an existing switch with the surface mountable one, we free the underlying in-wall box, so we have more room for micro modules (especially for retro-fitting existing homes)
  • Design; they come in standard design for 'Busch Jaeger' and 'Düwi Everlux' series of equipment, which fits a lot of our customers existing switches. They actually fit in the multi-frames of these series (I tested the Busch-Jaeger one in a 25 year old frame).
  • Controller mode; it provides the flexibility to switch scenes and all sorts of things, instead of just the builtin connected switch with the TKB/WINTOP devices

Is it possible to provide an estimate for supporting those devices please?


regards

Thijs

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Thijs Schreijer wrote:

@Sebastian; I looked for the TKB and WINTOP devices, but couldn't find any wall controllers. They have switches (in-wall), with switch panels. But the question here is flat, surface mountable controllers like the Z-Wave.Me ones (ZME_WCD1 for example).


For us they are important for several reasons;


  • flat surface mountable; this means we can place them without any construction work in a customers existing home. For new homes we can save a lot of money by not having to create all the in-wall boxes and cabeling for the switches, we can just hand the customer a box of switches, and they can decide where to put them.
  • Replace existing equipment; by replacing an existing switch with the surface mountable one, we free the underlying in-wall box, so we have more room for micro modules (especially for retro-fitting existing homes)
  • Design; they come in standard design for 'Busch Jaeger' and 'Düwi Everlux' series of equipment, which fits a lot of our customers existing switches. They actually fit in the multi-frames of these series (I tested the Busch-Jaeger one in a 25 year old frame).
  • Controller mode; it provides the flexibility to switch scenes and all sorts of things, instead of just the builtin connected switch with the TKB/WINTOP devices

Is it possible to provide an estimate for supporting those devices please?


regards

Thijs

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This is already more than a year I have asked for having this available. I have made a sepcial 3D Model to create a Wall switch over the AEON KeyFOB. This one being supported, i put the wake up mode to the maximum time .... but I never exceeded 3 month of battery life. This is the main current issue on the Zwave technology. I ahev the same issue on the new ZIPATO Four in One device whatever is the large size battery provideded with it.

Currently I have moved to the ENOcean solution to replace all battery operated devices. I have recently installed two Wall Switch. Playing with some programming function, you can make a Toggle function or different uses of each of the 4 Gang (4 functions). ZIPATO ENocean module need to be assisted by a repeater to cover the home but when installed it does alos the job. The ENocean wall switch is a nice evice and you can cloth them with different color. This not more expensive. I am going to convert all of the abttery operated Zwave device by ENOcean and I will keep you updated

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Can you provide the exact model numbers of the Enocean equipment you're using?


I've considered to use 433Mhz equipment, but that technology lacks a repeater type of device to cover larger distances.


Have you resolved controlling a dimmer module yet? dimming up/down is a PITA, the scene controller from zwave.me covers that functionality very well (if it would work with the zipabox).

Thijs

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Today my favorite solution in terms of functions is the AEON Remote control unit. On top of this one I have

done a 3D plastic parts to convert it into a a wall Switch. See the attach file

I have 5 of them installed

at home. Unfortunatly the battery life is less than a quarter even with the wake up mode

at the maximum time. Therefore I had many complains on the system not

working.


Therefore my current trial with ENocean. I am using the VIMAR Enocean dual switch and teh ELTAKO repeater. I have no problem to cover the home but it is a small hame. You can have up to two repeater. I am using the rules to create toggle function such to benefir of four commands by switch. This is also the way i position dimming value true levels in scene. In never Dimm per say. Currently this is working well with 2 ENOcean Switch, one close to the ZIPABOX, the other one Far with two concret Wall and working thru the repeater. I had upt to now no issue on a command. My only issue but this happened alos with the AEON remote control is that sometime the ZIPABOX has a delay in executing a command


I do not knwo if you know the best application that goes with a ZIPABOX. IMPERIHOLE. I have already three tablets. My next thinking is to have one with a small solar panel such not to have the need for a direct AC feed. Extending the ENOCEAN concept to a small tablet. This is no more expensive than a wall switch today and with IMPERIHOME, each phoen tablet can be configure for just what is needed. This would be the best solution and very fancy. Phoen price are dropping with now good quality screen on the entry price.

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Frederic CHARRON wrote:

Today my favorite solution in terms of functions is the AEON Remote control unit. On top of this one I have

done a 3D plastic parts to convert it into a a wall Switch. See the attach file

I have 5 of them installed

at home. Unfortunatly the battery life is less than a quarter even with the wake up mode

at the maximum time. Therefore I had many complains on the system not

working.


Therefore my current trial with ENocean. I am using the VIMAR Enocean dual switch and teh ELTAKO repeater. I have no problem to cover the home but it is a small hame. You can have up to two repeater. I am using the rules to create toggle function such to benefir of four commands by switch. This is also the way i position dimming value true levels in scene. In never Dimm per say. Currently this is working well with 2 ENOcean Switch, one close to the ZIPABOX, the other one Far with two concret Wall and working thru the repeater. I had upt to now no issue on a command. My only issue but this happened alos with the AEON remote control is that sometime the ZIPABOX has a delay in executing a command


I do not knwo if you know the best application that goes with a ZIPABOX. IMPERIHOLE. I have already three tablets. My next thinking is to have one with a small solar panel such not to have the need for a direct AC feed. Extending the ENOCEAN concept to a small tablet. This is no more expensive than a wall switch today and with IMPERIHOME, each phoen tablet can be configure for just what is needed. This would be the best solution and very fancy. Phoen price are dropping with now good quality screen on the entry price.

Very nice concept and good work, congratulations Frederic.

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> Therefore my current trial with ENocean. I am using the VIMAR Enocean dual


> switch and teh ELTAKO repeater. I have no problem to cover the home but it


> is a small hame. You can have up to two repeater. I am using the rules to


> create toggle function such to benefir of four commands by switch. This is


> also the way i position dimming value true levels in scene. In never Dimm


> per say. Currently this is working well with 2 ENOcean Switch, one close


> to the ZIPABOX, the other one Far with two concret Wall and working thru


> the repeater. I had upt to now no issue on a command.


Thx for the info, I'll look into those as well.


> My only issue but this happened alos with the AEON remote control is that


> sometime the ZIPABOX has a delay in executing a command


I have seen that behaviour as well, but my suspicion is not on the Zipabox perse, but the limited bandwidth of a zwave network. Some devices, for example the Fibaro Powerplug, send a very high number of messages. Tune that down and it might help.


> I do not knwo if you know the best application that goes with a ZIPABOX.


> IMPERIHOLE. I have already three tablets.


Yes I know it, even bought it, but unfortunately every time I try it, I run into yet another bug... (just filed another bug report, app won't even start)


> My next thinking is to have one with a small solar panel


> such not to have the need for a direct AC feed.


I ran some tests with a standard solarpowerpack (used for mobile phones). Very limited tests, but still. It seems those packs are limited to either charge or discharge, but not both simultaneous. So the very moment you connect a device, the powerpack will switch from charging its internal battery, to discharging (and hence charge the tablet/phone). So in a permanent connection it will discharge and never recharge.


I'm not sure, but I think this is a limitation in modern Lithium-Ion based batteries. UPS systems have different batteries just for this purpose I think. It probably can be done but you'll need a specialized piece of electronics in between (which is not my cup-of-tea), maybe two packs in parallel, with automatic switching between the two, so one can charge while the other discharges...


My idea was related to the Danfoss radiator thermostats, mostly mounted under a window anyway. So adding a solar panel would allow me to increase responsiveness by setting the wakeup time to once per minute. Without having weekly battery replacements.

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UPS are either ONLine ot OFFline and the objective is not to be a charger but to correct the quality of the AC supply up to back it up when AC is not available. I have ordered a solar panel with a integrated regulator and no battery integrated. The purpose is to act solely as a charger when their is enough sunlight, as does the basic phone charger. During night, the phone battery will cover the period. This is cheap and should be sufficient. I have ordered this solar panel for 11 € yesterday with a cheap G19 phone model (because of the front buttton) for 52 €. I will keep you posted on the results as sonn as received and mounted. I have also ordered a 6 000 mah lithium battery to replace the basic 600 mah that fits in the AEON remote control. 10 time a quarter should gime me more than 2 years. I have to just check that a small wall box is available to receive it as not so small and will not fit the Wall switch design we have done. That sould be the case for most of the installs. I will keep you posted on this trial to.

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I use 3 Z-Wave Nodon Wall Switch's which work great, I use them in Rules and even managed to access then via a single or double click. More than happy to recommend. Not sure where you are but got mine from here:


http://www.vesternet.com/z-wave-nodon-wall-switch-2096

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